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| 001 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER Chronology |
Day 1 (8/17) - Jenny Jump meets Siko Pompus, received fairy gifts, leaves NJ Day 5 (8/21) - Ozma's birthday - Jenny arrives, meets Number Nine - night with Number Nine's family Day 6 (8/22) - Jenny recovers the Turnstyle - arrives Emerald City at noon - opens shop - begins Ozlection A week passes (Ozma says, "It has been a dull week for [Jack Pumpkinhead], staying in his ozoplane to guard the votes.") Day 13 (8/29) - Jack Pumpkinhead's shoe concert - Heelers invade at night - Jenny arouses firefly fairies Day 14 (8/30) - Number Nine meets the Wizard - Jenny undergoes youthening process, loses fairy gifts - old Ozoplane takes off - chocolate general holds Jenny, Scraps, Jack prisoner - Jenny escapes at night Day 15 (8/31) - Number Nine's family comes to visit - he begins search for Jenny - they foil the invasion of chocolate soldiers - he visits the Wizard, rescues Scraps, Jack - meeting at PLOz at night Time passes before day set for Ozlection: Chooseday - Jenny loses, begins riot - Wizard removes Jenny's "bad traits" - Ozma makes Jenny a Duchess - Siko Pompus returns her fairy gifts Note: It is not stated in the text what length of time passes between the meeting at the PLOz and the day set for the Ozlection, but on the basis of Dorothy's statement, "I can't wait till next Choose Day. This ozlection is going to be a lot of fun," it isn't very long--perhaps no longer than a week. |
| 002 [Return to index] | Subject: The Wizard and other WONDER CITY magic | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> |
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 18:00:18 +0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> Subject: The Wizard and other WONDER CITY magic To start off our discussion of WONDER CITY, I have a few observations on how Neill portrays our old friend, the Wizard of Oz. Neill makes him very powerful, and also gives him the odd trait of dressing up in costumes and spying on people. There is some precedent for this behavior, since that's essentially what he did back before the time of WIZARD. He never seemed to do this in any of the post-WIZARD Baum and Thompson books, though, so it's odd that he does in WONDER CITY. His attachment to disguises is almost of Notta Bit More's level, with the Wizard acting as if his going to examine the Magic Picture WITHOUT a disguise was unusual behavior, and transporting Jinjur back home just because she identifies him in public. One of the Wizard's most interesting disguises is that of the "broom man," in which guise he seems to be evaluating Number Nine's ability to act as his assistant. Oddly enough, Nine remains Jenny's office boy at the end of WONDER CITY, although he's suddenly the Wizard's assistant at the beginning of SCALAWAGONS, with no indication as to how this happened. The picture of the broom man on the endpapers makes it pretty obvious that this man is the Wizard, but I seem to recall the drawings in the main part of the book show him as taller and more sinister-looking than the Wizard generally is (at least from what I remember; I don't have the book with me right now). Many people criticize the Wizard for his lobotomy of Jenny Jump, which actually wasn't in Neill's original manuscript. As some people have pointed out in the past, however, there is some precedent for it in his replacing the Glass Cat's pink brains with clear ones (PATCHWORK GIRL), and Clocker's bad works with good ones (PIRATES). The former is obviously unsuccessful, since she has the pink brains back in MAGIC. We don't know how the latter works out, since Clocker never reappears, but the Wizard's operation on Jenny's brains might well have turned out just as poorly as his operation on Bungle's. In fact, one of Eric Shanower's additions to RUNAWAY indicates that the Wizard eventually returned Jenny's lost personality traits. In WONDER CITY, we are introduced to a new invention of the Wizard's: the Teletable, which can find lost things. The advantage of this device over the Magic Picture seems to be that it will find things without specifically being asked. Speaking of the Magic Picture, it seems to have an additional power in this book. When Jenny is flying toward Oz, a speck appears in the Picture's country scene, indicating that there is trouble in Oz. Maybe this is a new capability that Ozma or someone recently gave the Picture, so as to be warned of impending danger. Since Jenny really wasn't that much of a threat to Oz, I have to wonder what the Picture would show if seriously hostile forces were on their way. Maybe more than a speck would appear in the country scene. If someone had thought to look in the Picture before the Mimics' invasion in MAGICAL MIMICS, maybe they would have seen a serious change in its usual appearance. WONDER CITY has Ozma working some magic without the Magic Belt, something we don't see much of in the Thompson books (about the only example I can think of being her transportation of herself and others from Glinda's palace to the Emerald City in OZOPLANING). She allows Jellia to talk through her ear, and makes it so she won't be hungry until the threads on her mouth are broken. I'm sure I'll have more to say about WONDER CITY later on, but this should be enough to get things started, if other people haven't already done so. Nathan |
| 003 [Return to index] | Subject: wonder city of oz | From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at ...> |
From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at ...> Date: Fri May 2, 2003 12:22 pm Subject: wonder city of oz Having re-read this for discussion here -- I like Jenny Jump and Number Nine as characters, but dislike the story as a whole. Noticed this time through that much of the story seems to be told so much in simple declarative sentences as to make for an unpleasant reading rhythm. Haven't checked to be sure, but I think Baum does that kind of rhythm only for special effects (as with the opening description of the grayness of Kansas in "Wizard"), and that both Baum and RPT usually used much more varied structures. The artwork, however, is splendid, especially the few older illos, more detailed in line and more romantic in mood, scattered through (especially Jenny among the firefly fairies; what is allegedly Number Nine's mother, although it looks like Jenny, with alleged pair of nomes), but also the newer stuff, especially the full-pagers and even more so the douoble-page spreads. The Wizard's Rube Goldberg machinery, for instance. We talked earlier about whether the Boxer is from the Box Wood of Ix. He certainly looks as if he is, but does describe himself as a Quadling. Very likely Neill forgot about the earlier Boxers -- but it would be possible to suppose that he was originally from the Box Wood and had come to live in the Quadling Country at some earlier time. (Alternatively, maybe there is a group of Boxers in the QC, possibly the original territory of or possibly an offshoot from the original territory of the Box Wood Boxers.) It occurs to me to wonder if the pink kitten lost under the Emerald City is meant to be Eureka. I suspect not, considering that the kitten is still lost at the end of the story (with only the Wizard's promise to try to get caught up at locating losts). Maybe it's a stray from the QC? (Belongs to the Boxer, maybe?) On the other hand, maybe it could be considered as being Eureka, and the story of Dorothy's quest to get her back needs writing. Ruth Berman |
| 004 [Return to index] | Subject: The Wizard and other WONDER CITY magic | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 13:52:43 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> Subject: The Wizard and other WONDER CITY magic Nathan DeHoff wrote: <<To start off our discussion of WONDER CITY, I have a few observations on how Neill portrays our old friend, the Wizard of Oz. Neill makes him very powerful, and also gives him the odd trait of dressing up in costumes and spying on people. There is some precedent for this behavior, since that's essentially what he did back before the time of WIZARD. He never seemed to do this in any of the post-WIZARD Baum and Thompson books, though, so it's odd that he does in WONDER CITY.>> I think that new habit shows the influence of the MGM movie issued the previous year, in which Frank Morgan played several roles in the Emerald City. The illustration of the Wizard with an absurdly false moustache seems especially reminiscent of the facial hair in the MGM movie. The "broom man" is an oddity, as you note. Neill draws him as gaunt while continuing his pattern in the Thompson books of giving the Wizard a stately paunch. That difference would require much more of a physical transformation than gluing on a fake moustache. It makes me wonder what Neill actually had in mind when he drew those images. The broom man and the Wizard look alike only in the endpapers. The chapter of Number Nine visiting the Wizard's lab and meeting the broom man is the longest in the book, as I recall; I don't know whether that means it was heavily rewritten or left just as in Neill's original, but it stands out. <<Speaking of the Magic Picture, it seems to have an additional power in this book. When Jenny is flying toward Oz, a speck appears in the Picture's country scene, indicating that there is trouble in Oz. Maybe this is a new capability that Ozma or someone recently gave the Picture, so as to be warned of impending danger.>> That speck is Jenny herself, hurtling through the sky toward Oz, isn't it? I don't see the text presenting her appearance as a warning like the Soldier's red whiskers in WISHING HORSE. It seems to be just another case of the Magic Picture coincidentally showing someone of interest, as in RINKITINK. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com |
| 005 [Return to index] | Subject: wonder city of oz | From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at ...> |
From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at ...> Date: Fri May 2, 2003 2:55 pm Subject: wonder city of oz "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> wrote: > [Neill gives the Wizard] the odd trait of dressing up in costumes and spying on people. There is some precedent for this behavior, since that's essentially what he did back before the time of WIZARD. < He appears in costumes in "Wizard," but there isn't any direct indication that he goes out and about in his costumes and spies on people, is there? I wonder if Neill was influenced by Frank Morgan's Wizard (in the 1939 movie), who does go out and about incognito -- if we assume that Morgan's different roles (Guardian of the Gates, Cabbie, Soldier with the Green Whiskers) are really the Wizard in different guises, and not just Morgan in different roles. It's an ingenious way to beef up the role, but as an element of Neill's story it seems odd, as you say -- even pointless. (Number Nine apparently doesn't know what the Wizard, so would be surprised to learn his identity in any case, and most readers probably realize who the broom man is early on. Shoving Jinjur offstage for recognizing him is disappointing to those who find her character interesting and seems uncharacteristically rude of the Wizard.) Ruth Berman |
| 006 [Return to index] | Subject: wonder city of oz | From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at ...> |
From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at ...> Date: Fri May 2, 2003 3:44 pm Subject: wonder city of oz This is something I've mentioned other times -- but the spring 1972 "Baum Bugle" had a nice article, "The Map of the Wonder City of Oz," by Judy Pike (working from the late Robert R. Pattrick's city-plan), with a map of the Emerald City and discussion of the information (and conflicts) given in the Oz books. Much of the material comes from Neill. Perhaps because he needed to have a layout clear in his head for the double-page spreads of the castle seen across the city and of Ozma watching the parade, he was the only Oz author who went into much detail in his texts on the city's geography. The issue is out of print (and the "Best of the Bugle" collections haven't come up that far). Anyone who would like a photocopy of it for minimal cost, contact me offlist with your mailing address. Ruth Berman |
| 007 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: wonder city of oz | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> |
Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 03:50:29 +0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> Subject: Re: wonder city of oz J. L. Bell: >The "broom man" is an oddity, as you note. Neill draws him as gaunt while >continuing his pattern in the Thompson books of giving the Wizard a stately >paunch. That difference would require much more of a physical >transformation than gluing on a fake moustache. At the end of that chapter, Number Nine recognizes the Wizard, who is apparently in his normal form at the time, as the same man who helped him in the tower. This almost certainly would not have been the case if the broom man had looked as different from the Wizard as he seemed to in the illustrations. (He'd be more likely to recognize him as the street magician who made his own whistlebreeches.) >It makes me wonder what >Neill actually had in mind when he drew those images. The broom man and the >Wizard look alike only in the endpapers. Does anyone know if the endpaper drawings were done before or after the text was edited? If before, then it's likely the chapter wasn't edited all that heavily, and the Wizard, while helping Number Nine in the tower, was disguised only minimally or not at all. In that case, the tall man with the broom might well have been intended to be someone else, as is the case with the firefly fairies and the Nomes. If after, then maybe the endpaper drawing of the "broom man" was made to fit the edited text. ><<Speaking of the Magic Picture, it seems to have an additional power in >this book. When Jenny is flying toward Oz, a speck appears in the >Picture's country scene, indicating that there is trouble in Oz. Maybe >this is a new capability that Ozma or someone recently gave the Picture, so >as to be warned of impending danger.>> > >That speck is Jenny herself, hurtling through the sky toward Oz, isn't it? I think so, but I believe she is flying into the Picture's usual country scene, rather than toward an actual place. I could be wrong, though; I'll have to reread that part. Ruth: >"Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> wrote: > > [Neill gives the Wizard] the odd trait of dressing up in costumes and >spying on people. There is some precedent for this behavior, since that's >essentially what he did back before the time of WIZARD. < > >He appears in costumes in "Wizard," but there isn't any direct indication >that he goes out and about in his costumes and spies on people, is there? I >wonder if Neill was influenced by Frank Morgan's Wizard (in the 1939 >movie), >who does go out and about incognito -- if we assume that Morgan's different >roles (Guardian of the Gates, Cabbie, Soldier with the Green Whiskers) are >really the Wizard in different guises, and not just Morgan in different >roles. I think that's likely. Speaking of the Wizard in disguise, though, there's the case of Crinklink in the LITTLE WIZARD STORIES, who is the Wizard under a magical transformation, rather than simply a false mustache or the like. A story in the first issue of OZIANA has the Wizard transforming himself while at his retreat in the mountains, so as to command the respect of a nearby giant. >It's an ingenious way to beef up the role, but as an element of >Neill's story it seems odd, as you say -- even pointless. (Number Nine >apparently doesn't know what the Wizard, so would be surprised to learn his >identity in any case, and most readers probably realize who the broom man >is >early on. That's a good point. His disguises are usually so transparent that he would be recognized by people who know him anyway, while being totally unnecessary for those who don't know him (like Number Nine). As for why the Wizard sends Jinjur away, maybe he thinks that Jinjur, as a woman with plenty of anger, envy, and ambition herself, would have objected to the upcoming lobotomy. I suppose that would make sense, although it would make the Wizard even meaner than he would be for sending Jinjur home just for recognizing him. Nathan |
| 008 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY lost cat of Oz | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> Date: Sun May 4, 2003 10:39 am Subject: WONDER CITY lost cat of Oz Ruth Berman wrote: <<It occurs to me to wonder if the pink kitten lost under the Emerald City is meant to be Eureka. I suspect not, considering that the kitten is still lost at the end of the story (with only the Wizard's promise to try to get caught up at locating losts).>> I think we're supposed to immediately think of Eureka at any mention of pink kitten in Oz. And she's been nearly invisible in the books for so long that a few more days of being lost won't matter (with the teletable, we're reassured that she won't be permanently gone). Just one more little loose end flopping off a very loosely wrapped narrative. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at ... |
| 009 [Return to index] | Subject: Jenny Jump in WONDER CITY | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> |
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 19:52:23 +0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> Subject: Jenny Jump in WONDER CITY Regarding whether Jenny's appearing in the Magic Picture is a warning or just a coincidence, the book actually says: "This picture showed everything that was happening in the Land of Oz. Ozma smiled as she saw a peaceful country scene, for this meant that there was peace and happiness everywhere in her kingdom." [p. 29] This implies that, if something had been going wrong in the kingdom, the peaceful country scene (the Picture's default state, according to both Baum and Thompson) would be replaced with something else. In the next paragraph, Jenny comes into the Picture, apparently into the country scene itself, although it is certainly possible that the Picture had changed scenes to show Jenny's current location. Jenny herself is an interesting character, and a bit of a mystery. We first find her in a house in the mountains of New Jersey, apparently living alone at the age of fifteen. On p. 23, it is revealed that a mountain "had stood between her and the rest of the world all her life." There is no indication as to what happened to Jenny's parents, and whether she has ever been to school. She knows how an election works, and presumably knows how to read and write, although I don't recall any specific instance of her doing so. She seems to have fairly broad knowledge of fairy lore, knowing how to get a leprechaun to grant wishes, and immediately asking to be turned into a fairy. From what I understand of Neill's original manuscript, Jenny's transformation into a fairy happened earlier in her life, and Jenny herself might well be older than fifteen at the beginning of the story proper. She had not gotten along with the fairies in the Jenny Jump Mountains, and had sued them for ownership of the range. The implication seems to be that Neill's original Jenny Jump was the namesake for the Jenny Jump Mountains, which wouldn't be true for the fifteen-year-old Jenny in the edited story. I don't know when the Jenny Jump Mountains were named, but I would imagine it was before the 1920s. I know there are several possible sources for the name. Nathan |
| 010 [Return to index] | Subject: Voter Fraud in the Ozelection | From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at ...> |
From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at ...>
Date: Thu May 8, 2003 2:45 pm
Subject: Voter Fraud in the Ozelection
Nathan wrote:
> As has been covered on this list before, the ozlection was an element added
> to Neill's original manuscript by a Reilly & Lee editor, presumably to unify
> the plot. While it worked in that respect, I don't know that Ozma, who was
> pretty much forced against her will to be Queen in LAND, would be allowed to
> give up her throne.
It seems as if Glinda, at least, would be against it,
> yet she does not seem to have any objection to the idea.
Let's face it, the whole thing is pretty odd... It goes against the
whole historical line that Lurline always meant Ozma to eventually
assume the throne -- and permanently. This goes back to why I think
it's absurd for a "Canon" to be defined in terms of a particular
*publisher*, rather than the original author, because of potentially
SO many and SO big contradictions, whether from the authors or the
publishers.
Imagine if Bloomsbury/Scholastic decided to continue the Harry Potter
series after J.K. Rowling's decease, and they decided to make Harry
a drug-junkie rock star driving an SUV... Would Potterians be obliged
to accept this as "Canon" simply because it was the same publisher???
> On p. 80, Ozma says, "I have been Queen a long time." This "long time" is
> apparently around forty years. On p. 88, however, the Town Crier announces
> that the winner of the ozlection will rule for 1000 years. If Ozma
> considers forty years to be a long reign, why would she have no problem with
> letting a relative stranger rule for a millennium? It seems awfully
> inconsistent.
Maybe the story would actually have been more interesting and
ultimately satisfying if Jenny *had* won, as that would probably have
required that Lurline show up and invalidate the whole thing once and
for all.
> The final form of the ozlection leaves the vote up to chance, which pretty
> much defeats the purpose of having an election. What's more, the voter
> turnout seems to be incredibly low. We are told that people came to the
> Emerald City from all over Oz to vote, and Polychrome, who isn't even a
> resident of Oz, is allowed to vote for some reason (although I doubt her
> weight is enough to make much of a difference).
ILLEGAL OVERSEAS BALLOTS!! :)
Jellia: Um -- Over-*skies* ballots, I thin you mean, Dave.
> Before Siko Pompus votes,
> the total weight of everyone who voted comes out to 3,200,180 pounds.
> According to EMERALD CITY, the capital itself has more than 50,000
> residents, while there are about 500,000 in all of Oz (and even that might
> be a low estimate, since it was from a time before a lot of small
> communities were discovered). Even if only the Emerald City-ites voted,
> that would average out to each person weighing roughly sixty pounds, which I
> would think is a bit low. Even if it isn't, though, it certainly becomes if
> we are to believe that a lot of people from outside the city also came to
> vote. Also, it seems that no animals, even those who behave themselves, are
> allowed to vote.
The whole thing was pretty crazy -- That's why I have faith that if it
had gone the wrong way, either Lurline or Ak would have stopped it...
OZMAPOLITAN LATEST: SUPREME MASTER VOTES 5-4 TO HALT RECOUNTS...
OZMA TO CONTINUE AS QUEEN OF OZ!
:)
--
Dave
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| 011 [Return to index] | Subject: The WONDER CITY ozlection | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> |
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 17:36:19 +0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> Subject: The WONDER CITY ozlection As has been covered on this list before, the ozlection was an element added to Neill's original manuscript by a Reilly & Lee editor, presumably to unify the plot. While it worked in that respect, I don't know that Ozma, who was pretty much forced against her will to be Queen in LAND, would be allowed to give up her throne. It seems as if Glinda, at least, would be against it, yet she does not seem to have any objection to the idea. Most of the discussions about the ozlection are primarily excuses to make a lot of bad puns, and the conclusions reached rarely make sense except as jokes. Professor Wogglebug objects to using umbrellas to vote, on the basis that "some people have more than one umbrella" (p. 83), and then he suggests right shoes. What, no one in Oz has more than one pair of shoes? Then the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman remove their right shoes, despite the fact that the Scarecrow's shoes are basically his feet, and he would have to limp without one of them. As for Nick Chopper, there has never been any previous indication that he even WEARS shoes. On p. 80, Ozma says, "I have been Queen a long time." This "long time" is apparently around forty years. On p. 88, however, the Town Crier announces that the winner of the ozlection will rule for 1000 years. If Ozma considers forty years to be a long reign, why would she have no problem with letting a relative stranger rule for a millennium? It seems awfully inconsistent. Why Neill decided to make the Scarecrow ruler of the Munchkins is a mystery, and one that is often discussed on this list. My personal belief is that Cheeriobed was on vacation at the time, and the Scarecrow was serving as regent. Either Neill or his editor DID remember that Joe King ruled the Gillikins, but, for some reason, he never appears in Neill's books. Ozma says that he cannot attend the ozlection meeting in WONDER CITY, and he is conveniently on a leave of absence in SCALAWAGONS. Maybe Neill just didn't like the character, but couldn't think of a reasonable substitute. The final form of the ozlection leaves the vote up to chance, which pretty much defeats the purpose of having an election. What's more, the voter turnout seems to be incredibly low. We are told that people came to the Emerald City from all over Oz to vote, and Polychrome, who isn't even a resident of Oz, is allowed to vote for some reason (although I doubt her weight is enough to make much of a difference). Before Siko Pompus votes, the total weight of everyone who voted comes out to 3,200,180 pounds. According to EMERALD CITY, the capital itself has more than 50,000 residents, while there are about 500,000 in all of Oz (and even that might be a low estimate, since it was from a time before a lot of small communities were discovered). Even if only the Emerald City-ites voted, that would average out to each person weighing roughly sixty pounds, which I would think is a bit low. Even if it isn't, though, it certainly becomes if we are to believe that a lot of people from outside the city also came to vote. Also, it seems that no animals, even those who behave themselves, are allowed to vote. Nathan |
| 012 [Return to index] | Subject: wizard incog | From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at ...> |
From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at ...> Date: Wed May 7, 2003 1:30 pm Subject: wizard incog "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> wrote: > Speaking of the Wizard in disguise, though, there's the case of Crinklink in the LITTLE WIZARD STORIES, who is the Wizard under a magical transformation, rather than simply a false mustache or the like. A story in the first issue of OZIANA has the Wizard transforming himself while at his retreat in the mountains, so as to command the respect of a nearby giant.< Yes, there are some examples of the Wizard using disguises outside the special circumstances of the Giant Head and the rest in "Wizard." Going about in disguise isn't something that seems really out of character for him, but it wasn't (aside from Neill -- and Frank Morgan) presented as something that was typical of him. Even Crinklink is something of a special case, because correspondence between Baum and the publisher (printed in the "Baum Bugle" in an article several years back) indicated that originally Crinklink was the villain he seemed, and Dorothy was going to have to get away from him by her own ingenuity. It was the publisher's suggestion to have Criniklink turn out to be the Wizard in disguise. Baum liked the suggestion, and took it, but it wasn't quite the way he saw the Wizard on his own. Ruth Berman |
| 013 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: WONDER CITY cats, dragons, Nomes, and aging | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> |
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 20:38:08 +0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> Subject: Re: WONDER CITY cats, dragons, Nomes, and aging J. L. Bell: >Ruth Berman wrote: ><<It occurs to me to wonder if the pink kitten lost under the Emerald City >is meant to be Eureka. I suspect not, considering that the kitten is still >lost at the end of the story (with only the Wizard's promise to try to get >caught up at locating losts).>> > >I think we're supposed to immediately think of Eureka at any mention of >pink kitten in Oz. Speaking of familiar characters sneaking their way into WONDER CITY, I've had the idea that the dragon with the ozbestos box might be the same as the blue dragon who accompanies Cheeriobed to the Emerald City in WISHING HORSE. There really isn't any evidence for this, though. Dragons seem to be more accepted in Neill's Oz than in Baum's or Thompson's. Even Sir Hokus, who would previously kill dragons upon sight (see ROYAL BOOK), is now friends with a two-headed dragonette (presumably the same as Evangeline in Neill's later books, although I think she's described as purple in WONDER CITY and pink in either SCALAWAGONS or LUCKY BUCKY). How did Umph and Grumph get into Oz, anyway? Maybe they rediscovered the Nome King's tunnel, which was apparently closed in EMERALD CITY, yet the Shaggy Man and his friends are able to use it to get to Oz in SHAGGY MAN. From what I've heard, the tunnel is also used in a privately published Oz manuscript called THE RED JINN OF OZ, which was written around the same time, but I've never read this book. >And she's been nearly invisible in the books for so long >that a few more days of being lost won't matter (with the teletable, we're >reassured that she won't be permanently gone). Just one more little loose >end flopping off a very loosely wrapped narrative. In one of the book's all-too-frequent puns, this lost cat is combing her hair in the catacombs under the city. The term "catacomb" can be used to refer to any underground passageway, but since it's sometimes used to refer to an underground cemetery, maybe this sheds more light on what happened to dead people before immortality became the norm in Oz. Speaking of immortality, Neill brings a good deal of confusion to matters of death and aging in Oz (as he does for pretty much all aspects of Oz). I actually like his idea of a "stop-growing age," and, to bring it into line with what Thompson wrote about aging, my belief is that everyone ages to the stop-growing age, and then has a choice whether or not to age anymore. The stop-growing age seems to vary from family to family, but it's probably often around ten, an age at which many Ozites (Philador and Ojo come to mind) prefer to remain. There are some very long-lived characters in WONDER CITY. The Munchkin baker's boy for 984 years. I get the idea that Neill chose that age without thinking much about how long Ozites have been immortal. Regardless, the boy has apparently aged, but hasn't died. Perhaps this can be explained by saying the spot where he was fishing had some kind of magical properties. Based on Neill's descriptions, Munchkin fashions seem not to have changed much in the past millennium, so Jenny Jump's introduction of new styles into Oz would be very revolutionary. On p. 88, the Town Crier tells Number Nine, "For 811 years, no one in Oz has made more noise than I." This suggests that the Crier is very old, although it's also possible that he actually means that, within 811 years, no one has made more noise than the appointed Town Crier, an office held by multiple people. Nathan |
| 014 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Voter Fraud in the Ozelection | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> Date: Thu May 8, 2003 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Voter Fraud in the Ozelection Dave Hardenbrook: >Let's face it, the whole thing is pretty odd... It goes against the >whole historical line that Lurline always meant Ozma to eventually >assume the throne -- and permanently. This goes back to why I think >it's absurd for a "Canon" to be defined in terms of a particular >*publisher*, rather than the original author, because of potentially >SO many and SO big contradictions, whether from the authors or the >publishers. > >Imagine if Bloomsbury/Scholastic decided to continue the Harry Potter >series after J.K. Rowling's decease, and they decided to make Harry >a drug-junkie rock star driving an SUV... Would Potterians be obliged >to accept this as "Canon" simply because it was the same publisher??? Well, no Oz fan is obliged to accept the entire FF as canon. Nevertheless, I would say that, at least in my opinion, no FF book strays as far from Baum's vision of Oz as your hypothetical Harry Potter books would (or, for that matter, as some more recent Oz-based works have). Nevertheless, I think the post-Baum Oz books were accepted not only by Reilly & Lee, but also by Baum's heirs. How much of a say they actually had in what went into the books isn't something on which I'm prepared to speculate, though. Personally, I find quite a bit to like in the Neill books, and wouldn't want to totally remove them from the canon. Nevertheless, I think Neill and his editors were prone to exaggeration, and I think the events in the Neill Oz books must be taken with a grain of salt. I would accept the basic events of WONDER CITY, but I'm not totally sure whether the houses of the Emerald City actually had a battle. Of course, I tend to be an Oz inclusionist anyway, accepting a lot of non-FF/R&L books and stories into my personal canon, although I give more weight to some authors and accounts than to others. > > On p. 80, Ozma says, "I have been Queen a long time." This "long time" >is > > apparently around forty years. On p. 88, however, the Town Crier >announces > > that the winner of the ozlection will rule for 1000 years. If Ozma > > considers forty years to be a long reign, why would she have no problem >with > > letting a relative stranger rule for a millennium? It seems awfully > > inconsistent. > >Maybe the story would actually have been more interesting and >ultimately satisfying if Jenny *had* won, as that would probably have >required that Lurline show up and invalidate the whole thing once and >for all. Since the term for the elected queen seems to be 1000 years, does that mean there will be another ozlection in the thirtieth century? Or will everyone know better by then? I know some people here have written future Oz stories, though, and someone (probably not Jenny again, both because of copyright restrictions and the fact that she'd probably have gotten resigned to being a Duchess within a millennium, especially since she seems quite content in SCALAWAGONS) citing the mention of the 1000-year term in order to run against Ozma for the rulership might be an interesting idea. >The whole thing was pretty crazy -- That's why I have faith that if it >had gone the wrong way, either Lurline or Ak would have stopped it... Lurline, maybe, but why would Ak have gotten involved? SANTA CLAUS seems to suggest that he only has jurisdiction over the forests. Nathan |
| 015 [Return to index] | Subject: [Nonestica] Neill's Aging and Ozzy Hanging Chad | From: Tyler Jones <tyler.jones at ...> |
From: Tyler Jones <tyler.jones at ...> Date: Thu May 8, 2003 6:51 pm Subject: [Nonestica] Neill's Aging and Ozzy Hanging Chad Nathan wrote > I actually like his idea of a "stop-growing age," and, to bring it > into line with what Thompson wrote about aging, my belief is that > everyone ages to the stop-growing age, and then has a choice > whether or not to age anymore. I like this idea, too. It solves the "eternal pregnancy/baby" problem, as well as allowing people to essentially remain children for as long as they want. Dave H. wrote > > The whole thing was pretty crazy -- That's why I have faith that > > if it had gone the wrong way, either Lurline or Ak would have > > stopped it... To which Nathan replied > Lurline, maybe, but why would Ak have gotten involved? SANTA > CLAUS seems to suggest that he only has jurisdiction over > the forests. Ak does seem only to be in charge of the forests. While Lurline respects Ak, she clearly does not report to him in any hierarchical sense. I suspect that if Jenny had won, the Ozzy version of the Supreme Court would have been composed of Lurline, Zurline, Lulea (assuming that they're all different people, which I do) and possibly even the Supreme Master himself. Tyler Jones |
| 016 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: WONDER CITY cats, dragons, Nomes, and aging | From: "David" <chaosdsl at ...> |
From: "David" <chaosdsl at ...> Date: Thu May 8, 2003 7:45 pm Subject: Re: WONDER CITY cats, dragons, Nomes, and aging Nathan wrote: "Even Sir Hokus, who would previously kill dragons upon sight (see ROYAL BOOK), is now friends with a two-headed dragonette..." This was one of my favorite scenes in "Wonder City." It's very funny, and it returns Sir Hokus back to his normal self, after RPT changed him into the Yellow Knight in, appropiately, "Yellow Knight." A mistake on Neill's part, yes, but I prefer Sir Hokus to the Knight. David |
| 017 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Re: WONDER CITY cats, dragons, Nomes, and aging | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> Date: Fri May 9, 2003 2:05 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Re: WONDER CITY cats, dragons, Nomes, and aging David: >Nathan wrote: > >"Even Sir Hokus, who would previously kill dragons upon sight (see >ROYAL BOOK), is now friends with a two-headed dragonette..." > >This was one of my favorite scenes in "Wonder City." It's very >funny, and it returns Sir Hokus back to his normal self, after RPT >changed him into the Yellow Knight in, appropiately, "Yellow >Knight." A mistake on Neill's part, yes, but I prefer Sir Hokus to >the Knight. A lot of people do, and even Thompson herself mentioned him as "Sir Hokus," rather than "the Yellow Knight," when she had him make a minor appearance in YANKEE. It's possible that Corum allowed himself to age naturally after recovering his youth in YELLOW KNIGHT (I believe J. L. Bell once suggested something of the sort), which would explain why the WONDER CITY illustrations restore him to his old self. Nathan |
| 018 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Wonder City frustration/ Rediscovering a lost love | From: "Joseph Bongiorno" <TheSithEmpire at ...> |
From: "Joseph Bongiorno" <TheSithEmpire at ...> Date: Fri May 9, 2003 12:16 pm Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Wonder City frustration/ Rediscovering a lost love It's a continual source of irritation to me that Neill's original Wonder City hasn't been published yet. Judging from his "Scalawagons" and 'Lucky Bucky" alone, I imagine the original must be far less of the hallucinatory, befuddled mess that this book was turned into. I don't mind the talking houses (they could have been brought to life somehow), Number Nine, Jenny Jump, or her shop. But continuity-wise and character-wise, there is very little in this version of "Wonder City" that even remotely resembles the rest of the Oz books (and even they aren't terribly cohesive). Personally, I keep it in canon because of what elements of Neill are in there, but if ever his real manuscript becomes available, THAT is the version that I will consider the "real" one. Joehttp://www.timelineuniverse.net |
| 019 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY Jenny Jump | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:08:09 -0400
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com>
Subject: WONDER CITY Jenny Jump
Nathan DeHoff wrote:
<<From what I understand of Neill's original manuscript, Jenny's
transformation into a fairy happened earlier in her life, and Jenny herself
might well be older than fifteen at the beginning of the story proper.>>
According to Eric Shanower's article in the winter 2001 BAUM BUGLE, Neill
originally drew Jenny Jump as "a not-particularly-attractive, middle-aged
woman dressed in a Pilgrim style." One of his previously unpublished
drawings appears in that magazine. (Perhaps I reveal my own middle-agedness
by saying I think she looks like a not-particularly-attractive young woman
in this image. But she's definitely adult.)
The Pilgrim clothing--for which we might read 17th-century or, as Rachel
Green would say, "the COLONIAL period"--might imply that Neill connected
her enchantment with the era of European settlement of America. In that
case, she and the Jenny Jump Mountains would indeed have gone way back
together. But Neill seems to have enjoyed drawing old-fashioned clothes.
Steve Teller's summary of the original WONDER CITY manuscript says Jenny
starts to "de-age" shortly after arriving in Oz, and does so over the
length of the manuscript, rather than artificially at the end. That implies
that while she received her fairy gifts around the time she entered
adolescence [Hmmm...], she's grown considerably older.
For folks who didn't get a chance to see it before, here is Steve's
summary, as posted to the Ozzy Digest on 2 Jan 1998:
+++++++++++++
Preliminary remarks: -The MS of WONDER CITY has typewritten pages numbered
1-106 preceeded by a title page, a dedication page, a letter to "Dear Girls
and Boys" and a list of chapters. In the text the chapters do not have
names but they are named on the LIST OF CHAPTERS page. Two chapters are
missing in the MS: Chapter 6 ("New Friends") pp 20-23, which corresponds
in pat to Chapter 14: "An Unexpected Visitor" of the published book, and
Chapter 22 (the next-to-last Chapter "The shiftless god-father") pp 95-96.
The beginning of the book is different, we are told much more about Jenny's
childhood, and her receiving fairy gifts from Psychopompus (sic) occured
years before her jump to Oz. There is no Ozma party, no rescue of a
Munchkin boy, no ozcalator ride. Jenny lands in the Munchkin Country,
discovers the Turn style, gets a young Munchkin to help her wheel it to the
Emerald City and sets up shop. She makes Whistlebreeches for the boy.
After the missing chapter 6 she starts growing younger. There is no
Ozlection plot. At one point Scraps dashes into the shop and accidentally
changes her patches for a boys swimming suit. Jenny, for no good reason
goes on a rampage and releases many animals from the animal gardens. She
gets to Jack Pumpkinhead's home a reconditioned Ozoplane, where he has a
glee club of shoes. Jenny accidentally starts the Ozoplane with Jack,
Scraps and herself aboard. They fly to a chocolate star where, after a
battle they are imprisoned. Meanwhile Whistlebreeches' father helps stop
the animal attack, the family run the style shop, and Numbernine (as he is
sometimes called) searches for the Wizard to try to locate Jenny.
Eventually using on Ozmic ray, he recovers the Ozoplane and its three
inhabitants. Jenny, by growing younger, has lost her fairy gifts/powers.
She has also become nicer and less spoiled. Everything ends happily.
There is no removal of her bad temper, envy, and ambition.
Examing the illustrations of the printed text of WONDER CITY in terms of
the MS version, paying special attention to the style of Jenny's hair, I
discovered that some of the illustrations indicate that the originally
appeared elsewhere in the story. On page 33, we have a picture of Ozma
meeting Jenny with the Wizard behind them, that supposedly takes place at
Jenny's first arrival in Oz. However, Jenny's hair in this picture
matches that in the pictures for the final Chapter in the book, especially
the 2 page spread on [314-315]. This is when Jenny has reached her youngest
age, about 11. The pictures of Jenny on pages 156, 160, 168 etc, while she
is on the Ozoplane with Jack and Scraps and on the Chocolate Star sho her
with a hair style that matches her appearance in Chapter 26 "Jenny's Last
Flare-Up." There would be no reason for her to revert to that hair style
after the Ozlection--but in MS her flare-up immediately preceeded the
unexpected adventure. For what its worth, the chapter illustration for
Chapter 4 shows a very similar hair style.
I had long been puzzled by the 2 page spread on pp [176-177] because there
is no textual equivalent for it. However in the MS pp 54-55 we have the
following: "[Scraps] threw herself bodily against the nearest chocolate
soldier.
"He toppled sidewise throwing his neighbor off balance, who in turn bumped
over the next and so on around the circle until every brave soldier was
lair flat. . . . When she had them all flat she put her foot on the
leader, and held him there."
What I suspect this means is not the Neill did not support the changes made
but that he had already drawn illustrations for the book and tried to
salvage as many as possible. The pictures of Siko Pompus in chapter 1 and
p. 283 are probably later drawings.
+++++++++++++
J. L. Bell
JnoLBell at compuserve.com
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| 020 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY canonicity | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> Date: Fri May 9, 2003 4:08 pm Subject: WONDER CITY canonicity Dave Hardenbrook wrote: <<This goes back to why I think it's absurd for a "Canon" to be defined in terms of a particular *publisher*, rather than the original author, because of potentially SO many and SO big contradictions, whether from the authors or the publishers. Imagine if Bloomsbury/Scholastic decided to continue the Harry Potter series after J.K. Rowling's decease, and they decided to make Harry a drug-junkie rock star driving an SUV.>> One reason to connect canonicity for a multi-authored series to its publisher is that that company has an economic incentive to keep its books consistent in reader appeal--thus in tone and often in facts. Bloomsbury/ Scholastic has a huge cash cow in the HARRY POTTER books. Those companies would be much more eager to maintain the series' fundamental appeal than, say, the Chinese publisher that issued an ersatz POTTER book just for a quick buck. Of course, WONDER CITY is far from consistent with its predecessors, and Reilly & Lee's own editing bears some of the responsibility for that. (Not all by any means, considering what folks have reported about how Neill's manuscript also deviated from traditional Oz novels.) And for that we can thank the later Reilly & Lee's quest for a quick buck. I suspect those people who define their canon by WIZARD plus the Reilly &Lee books aren't really thinking of Reilly, Britton, Lee, and their successors as arbiters of Oz, but using the colophon on the spine as a short-hand for "the novels I grew up viewing as the Oz books." The next generation of Oz fans may have very different ideas. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at ... |
| 021 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY canonical contradictions | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> Date: Fri May 9, 2003 4:08 pm Subject: WONDER CITY canonical contradictions Nathan DeHoff wrote: <<Why Neill decided to make the Scarecrow ruler of the Munchkins is a mystery, and one that is often discussed on this list.>> Is it? I think this is the first time I've offered my explanation: Neill simply got it wrong. It's not that he decided to ignore Cheeriobed. Rather, he wanted to make the Scarecrow an equivalent of the Tin Woodman, and thus made them both emperors. Does he ever mention Cheeriobed in his books? <<Speaking of familiar characters sneaking their way into WONDER CITY, I've had the idea that the dragon with the ozbestos box might be the same as the blue dragon who accompanies Cheeriobed to the Emerald City in WISHINGHORSE.>> That once-spotted dragon is "familiar"? [I know what you're going to say. How do I know that dragon was ever spotted when the text describes it as blue?] J. L. Bell JnoLBell at ... |
| 022 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY Magic Picture | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:08:05 -0400
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com>
Subject: WONDER CITY Magic Picture
Nathan DeHoff wrote:
<<"This picture showed everything that was happening in the Land of Oz.
Ozma smiled as she saw a peaceful country scene, for this meant that there
was peace and happiness everywhere in her kingdom." [p. 29] This implies
that, if something had been going wrong in the kingdom, the peaceful
country scene (the Picture's default state, according to both Baum and
Thompson) would be replaced with something else. In the next paragraph,
Jenny comes into the Picture, apparently into the country scene itself,
although it is certainly possible that the Picture had changed scenes to
show Jenny's current location.>>
Baum indeed states in EMERALD CITY that the Magic Picture usually shows a
country scene. But in other books he describes its "default state" as
shifting scenes. (Note the insistent repetition of "constantly.")
OZMA: "a picture which constantly changed in appearance, at one
time showing a meadow and at another time a forest, a lake or a village."
LIL WIZARD STORIES: "The scenes shift constantly"
SCARECROW: "This picture was a magic one because it constantly changed its scenes"
LOST PRINCESS: "various scenes constantly appeared and disappeared"
That's why I recalled Ozma or Dorothy occasionally stumbling across
interesting images in the Picture and sitting down to follow those events.
(They may do so in some books, but RINKITINK isn't one of them, as I
misstated before; Dorothy first learns about Inga in Glinda's Great Book of
Records, then moves to the Magic Picture.) The Picture thus seems to have
different settings: either the innocuous country scene or the constantly
shifting images.
It's certainly possible to interpret Ozma's pleasure at seeing that
familiar country scene to mean the Picture would indicate trouble by
altering that image. But that would present some logical problems for the
series. I don't think that power ever reappears when Oz is threatened, even
in WONDER CITY itself. Ozma never again consults the Magic Picture for such
a warning. Books after WONDER CITY, like books before, depend on Ozma NOT
being able to find trouble with the Picture unless she asks about a
specific person or place or lucks into the view. The power isn't mentioned
in MAGICAL MIMICS, in which the Picture is central to the plot (and in
which that "attractive view of a pleasant countryside with rolling fields
and a forest in the background" reappears as its usual subject).
The country scene definitely seems to include Jenny. The Wizard squints at
the Picture and appears able to figure out her distance from the Emerald
City just by looking at that image. Of course, he may have other powers,
such as that metaphorical "smelling trouble," but the simplest explanation
is that he sees an image of her in the skies above this country. So we're
either getting significantly incomplete information (in which case we must
be wary of inferences based on what we do get) or coincidence is at work
(not for the first time in the series), or both.
Why, if the overall pattern of evidence warns us that we can't rely on a
single glance at the Magic Picture to tell us that all of Oz is well, does
Ozma seem to do just that in this passage? I think there are two
explanations, both simpler and with more support in other Oz books than the
notion of the Magic Picture gaining a special new power.
1) WONDER CITY is an illogical, internally and externally contradictory
history. This inconsistent detail is only one of many, and a minor
one at that.
2) For all the good qualities Ozma has, logical thinking has never
been her strength. The Picture's familar image of the countryside
might have made her smile even though she should (probably even
did) know better.
J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com
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| 023 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY endpapers | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 22:43:57 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> Subject: WONDER CITY endpapers Nathan DeHoff asked when the endpapers to WONDER CITY were created in relation to the book's two surviving texts. I haven't seen any information about that, and suspect it's a matter of guesswork. But here are some possible clues. The picture of Siko Pompus in the endpapers is labeled "Sico." Steve Teller reported that in the surviving Neill manuscript, that character was named "Psychopompus." That means that Neill created the endpapers after the character's name was respelled--but when was that? The surviving manuscript may not have been Neill's last version. Steve also reported how the original manuscript occasionally called the book's young Munchkin "Numbernine," just as his name appears in the endpapers. The endpapers include a bear named "Sniffer," who might be Snufferbux from OJO, but I don't recall him in the book. They also show some generic Ozians: Quadling Girl, Munchkin (looking a lot like Nine). Every other face in the endpapers reflects an illustration inside (except possibly Polychrome, who is mentioned inside), meaning those characters appeared in both the original manuscript and the final published version, if only briefly. The "cloud Pusher" in the endpapers has a quite different face from the monster shown inside on the copyright page and 168. But perhaps cloud pushers are as mutable as clouds. All this arises from wondering if Neill originally meant the "broom man" to be one of the Wizard's disguises. The endpapers show those two characters having similar though not identical profiles and hairlines. They appear much more alike there than in pictures inside the text (compare 239 and 255, for instance). But relying on this book to be consistent seems like a lost cause. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com |
| 024 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WONDER CITY endpapers | From: Tigerbooks at ... |
From: Tigerbooks at ... Date: Fri May 9, 2003 11:24 pm Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WONDER CITY endpapers In a message dated 5/9/03 7:51:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, JnoLBell at compuserve.com writes: Nathan DeHoff asked when the endpapers to WONDER CITY were created in relation to the book's two surviving texts. All of the illustrations were completed before the published text was written. We know this because Neill new nothing of the book being reqritten until after the finished copies arrived on his doorstep. He was VERY surprised. --David Maxine |
| 025 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: WONDER CITY Jenny Jump | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> |
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:41:28 +0000 From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at tmbg.org> Subject: Re: WONDER CITY Jenny Jump J. L. Bell, quoting Steve Teller: >After the missing chapter 6 she starts growing younger. Since Chapter 6 is missing, I guess we have no way of knowing whether or not the Wizard was responsible for Jenny's de-aging in the original manuscript (and, if he wasn't, what was). >Jenny, for no good reason >goes on a rampage and releases many animals from the animal gardens. At least in the edited version she has a reason for this, albeit a rather weak one. I would say that releasing the animals is the worst thing Jenny does in the book. Interestingly enough, Jenny seems to be more heroic in the edited book, since the original doesn't seem to include her saving the Emerald City from an invasion. >She gets to Jack Pumpkinhead's home a reconditioned Ozoplane, where he has >a >glee club of shoes. Is there any explanation as to where he got these shoes? I think I would actually prefer Jack's singing shoes to be an explained Ozian phenomenon, rather than going along with the editor's idea that ordinary Ozites' shoes can suddenly sing when removed from people's feet. Incidentally, it's interesting that Scraps seems to have become best friends with Jack in the Neill books. I don't recall them ever interacting much in the Baum or Thompson books, except when they first meet in PATCHWORK GIRL. Nathan |
| 026 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY urban renewal? | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:58:11 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> Subject: WONDER CITY urban renewal? Joe Bongiorno wrote: <<It's a continual source of irritation to me that Neill's original Wonder City hasn't been published yet. Judging from his "Scalawagons" and 'Lucky Bucky" alone, I imagine the original must be far less of the hallucinatory, befuddled mess that this book was turned into.>> That judgment depends on SCALAWAGONS not being a "hallucinatory, befuddled mess," which strikes me as charitable. Even LUCKY BUCKY, while benefiting from the simple journey plot, has many episodes and characters that seem to arise more from doodles and whims than logic. The only person I know to have edited Neill's work successfully, Eric Shanower, has acknowledged major failings in the man's verbal storytelling in general and his original WONDER CITY tale in particular. One of the reasons I reran Steve Teller's report on the original WONDER CITY manuscript is to give us a taste of the book's original plot--or lack of it. For example, Steve wrote at one point: "Jenny, for no good reason[,] goes on a rampage and releases many animals from the animal gardens." In the published manuscript, she at least has a bad reason for that action: she just lost the Oz-lection. We know Reilly & Lee was spending as little money and time as possible on editing the Oz books at this point, being concerned mainly with getting them out once a year. Yet the firm devoted resources to having Neill's story greatly rewritten around his pictures. It first tried to recruit Thompson, as I recall, and then assigned the task to an editor. The firm wouldn't have done that on a whim, simply because someone thought there should be an election in the Emerald City. The executives at Reilly & Lee must have decided that publishing Neill's first effort at a novel would be a disaster. I'm not saying the published story is far better or more coherent than that manuscript. I'm saying that it seems wishful to assume the original was better, given that everyone who's actually read it says it was BAD. Thanks, David Maxine, for the report on when Neill found out about the WONDER CITY editing: <<All of the illustrations were completed before the published text was written. We know this because Neill new nothing of the book being reqritten until after the finished copies arrived on his doorstep. He was VERY surprised.>> In that case, the change of name from "Psychopompus" in the surviving Neill manuscript to "Sico" in the endpapers means that there was an intervening draft. Neill had to send something to Reilly & Lee, after all. The surviving manuscript was therefore not his last word on the events of WONDER CITY--providing an additional complication for the question of which narrative is "authentic." J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com |
| 027 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WONDER CITY canonicity | From: "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenned at ...> |
From: "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenned at ...>
Date: Sun May 11, 2003 8:24 am
Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WONDER CITY canonicity
You know, all this speculation about the publishers continuing Harry
Potter is rather pointless, because the publishers do not own Harry
Potter; J. K. Rowling does. Similarly, Jill Paton Walsh's current
continuations of Dorothy L. Sayers' Lord Peter Wimsey novels have not
been under the aegis of Sayer's publishers (who, in the US, at least,
are not even the publishers of the new books), but under that of the
Sayers estate.
L. Frank Baum, and Maud Gage Baum after him, had contracts with Reilly
and Lee that gave Reilly and Lee control of Oz (except for "Wizard" and
the non-book materials). This was not the usual arrangement then, nor
is it now.
--
John W. Kennedy
"Never try to take over the international economy based on a radical
feminist agenda if you're not sure your leader isn't a transvestite."
-- "She-Spies"
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| 028 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY animals | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:08:29 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> Subject: WONDER CITY animals Ruth Berman wrote: <<Query: do the animals not take part in the voting because the humans consider them ineligible, or do the animals just think the whole game is pointless?>> The published text of WONDER CITY doesn't put animals on the same plane as humans most of the time. The animals in the animal garden and zoo (which may be the same thing) are kept "chained." Even Kabumpo lives in an "enclosure," which Thompson's character wouldn't have stood for. The blue horses wish to be "owned" by Nine's father; in contrast, Nine's position of "humble servant" doesn't involve being "owned" by Jenny. The text is also clear that all of Ozma's subjects MUST vote in the ozlection. That implies the animals weren't exercising a choice in not being involved. Rather, they weren't invited, even those whom we see serving Ozma, such as the Cowardly Lion and Sawhorse. We might say that doesn't fit with Baum's vision of Oz, but of course he never had an election to compare with. I believe readers today are too quick to assume that the Oz series consistently shows animals accorded the same rights and privileges of people. EMERALD CITY, MAGIC, and other books make clear that there are different rules for animals living in the wild parts of Oz as against those who choose to live in human society. Ozian humans are never cannibals, but they do eat meat with no assurances that it comes from non-animal sources (and in the case of the Cowardly Lion strong hints that some of his meals do). During the time of the Reilly & Lee series (1900-1963), America wasn't providing equality to all its human citizens, despite constitutional guarantees. It may therefore have been easier for authors and readers to imagine inequalities for animals in Oz, despite their ability to speak. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com |
| 029 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WONDER CITY endpapers | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> Date: Sat May 10, 2003 10:57 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WONDER CITY endpapers J. L. Bell: >The endpapers include a bear named "Sniffer," who might be Snufferbux from >OJO, but I don't recall him in the book. While a lot of different animals appear in the finished manuscript of WONDER CITY, there are, as far as I can recall, no bears (probably because Neill couldn't think of any plant-related puns involving them). Maybe either Snufferbux or another bear appeared in the original manuscript, or Neill just felt like drawing the character for no apparent reason. Nathan |
| 030 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WONDER CITY canonical contradictions | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> Date: Sat May 10, 2003 10:51 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WONDER CITY canonical contradictions J. L. Bell: >Nathan DeHoff wrote: ><<Why Neill decided to make the Scarecrow ruler of the Munchkins is a >mystery, and one that is often discussed on this list.>> > >Is it? Well, I've commented on it before, and I recall a few other people offering explanations. >I think this is the first time I've offered my explanation: Neill >simply got it wrong. It's not that he decided to ignore Cheeriobed. Rather, >he wanted to make the Scarecrow an equivalent of the Tin Woodman, and thus >made them both emperors. Does he ever mention Cheeriobed in his books? I'm pretty sure he doesn't. He does, however, make a few passing references to Joe King, and I think every Thompson book that mentions one also mentions the other. The other suggestions I've seen, in addition to yours and mine, are that "Emperor of the Munchkins" is an honorary title, the Scarecrow actually holds another public office in the Munchkin Country and Neill got confused, and that the Scarecrow replaced a retired Cheeriobed. If we say Neill just made a mistake, it really wouldn't affect his stories that much. As far as I recall, the only things he really does as a quadrant ruler are to attend the ozlection meetings and put on his crown to gain the respect of the uncles in LUCKY BUCKY. As a high-ranking member of Ozma's court (Thompson's short story "The Enchanted Tree of Oz" identifies him as her Chief Counselor), he probably would have attended the meetings anyway. Of course, this leaves open the question of why Cheeriobed wasn't there. Were he and Joe King off fishing together or something? Nathan |
| 031 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY I always think there's a band, kid | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> Date: Sat May 17, 2003 10:09 pm Subject: WONDER CITY I always think there's a band, kid Nathan DeHoff wrote: <<Is there any explanation as to where he got these shoes? I think I would actually prefer Jack's singing shoes to be an explained Ozian phenomenon, rather than going along with the editor's idea that ordinary Ozites' shoes can suddenly sing when removed from people's feet.>> Steve Teller's synopsis of the surviving WONDER CITY manuscript doesn't say where Jack Pumpkinhead's shoe band came from. Obviously, the shoes weren't votes in the ozlection, which Neill's editor added. Both the synopsis and the double-page spread in the published book show that Neill had the idea for the shoe orchestra, with shoe horns, shoe strings, and shoe singers (waggling their tongues). I conclude that the editor's idea of making right shoes the first votes in the ozlection was inspired by that shoe-centered art, and developed to fit the available puns. But the band itself may have been inspired by other puns rather than logic or established facts about Oz. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at ... |
| 032 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY and OZOPLANING | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:59:53 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> Subject: WONDER CITY and OZOPLANING I don't recall if Nathan DeHoff or someone else mentioned it, but one of WONDER CITY's subplots [chapters 15-22] is almost exactly the same as the main plot of OZOPLANING. Some Emerald City citizens accidentally launch themselves in an ozoplane. They land in a hostile sky country. The denizens of that land send hordes of soldiers to attack the Emerald City while our heroes escape and race back to save Oz. This conflict takes most of the book in OZOPLANING, but in WONDER CITY it's over in a couple of chapters, stretched out by Number Nine's large family and the two Nomes. WONDER CITY is, naturally, less logical as well, with the Ozians arriving by coincidence just as the extraterrestrials are about to attack Oz. Visually, Neill's drawings of the surreal Stratovanian landscape were very striking: the flora, the star-shaped chairs, and other details truly created a world apart. The chocolate star, on the other hand, comes across as just a drab mud pit. We know one image from that part of the book [on page 208] was altered to make the art conform to the edited text. The picture of Jack's smashed head [168] doesn't fit with any part of the text. Perhaps there are other, more interesting images that didn't make the final cut. Some significant time must have passed between the two books because Ozma has a new model of ozoplane [121], while Jack Pumpkinhead for some reason has moved into an old one [84]. Even this old model doesn't work like those we saw in OZOPLANING, however: it has a lever for a starter instead of buttons [161], and Neill draws levers among the controls [214]. So Ozma's must be at least the third-generation design. Another change from OZOPLANING: The Wizard's lab has moved from behind the throne room to the "top of the palace" [147], up in one of the towers. WONDER CITY and Neill's other books were so firm on this point that it's stuck with me more strongly than the old lab. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com |
| 033 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY Magic Picture (again) | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:00:36 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> Subject: WONDER CITY Magic Picture (again) Earlier we discussed the moment when Ozma checks the welfare of her country by looking in the Magic Picture and spots Jenny for the first time. I'm going to propose yet another reading of that passage which now strikes me as fitting best with how Neill was depicting Oz and the Magic Picture at this time. Ozma pulls back the curtain over her Magic Picture on page 29: "This picture showed everything that was happening in the Land of Oz. Ozma smiled as she saw a peaceful country scene, for this meant that there was peace and happiness everywhere in her kingdom." I now propose that the writer's intent in this passage, and perhaps Neill's original text, presented the Magic Picture as showing the entire land of Oz from above, much like the bird's-eye view we see in the endpapers for OZOPLANING. Neill drew a number of such views of Oz or the Emerald City in the period from OZOPLANING to LUCKY BUCKY, sometimes as maps or schematic drawings of journeys. Thus, the Picture really did show "everything that was happening in the Land of Oz" at the moment Ozma looked, but not in close-up. And with no forest fires, advancing armies, or other calamities visible, the scene she saw was a peaceful country--rendered in the text as "a peaceful country scene." Then in the sky above that landscape the Picture picked up Jenny, jumping her way into Oz. Fitting all of Oz into the Magic Picture frame would imply that Neill imagined the country as even smaller than his predecessors, which seems consistent with WONDER CITY and SCALAWAGONS (less so LUCKY BUCKY, but it does show the travelers' whole journey in one double-page spread). Even so, Ozma wouldn't really be able to pick out small signs of trouble at such a distance. Another geographical oddity in WONDER CITY is how the published text states that there's still a "barrier around Oz" for the Heelers to slip through [119]. Since this race of "spineless sponges" live "in the Sandy Waste outside Oz," that barrier can't be the desert itself [84]. It appears to be the spell that Glinda erected in EMERALD CITY and not much evident in more recent books. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com |
| 034 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Location of the Wizard's lab | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at ...> Date: Tue May 27, 2003 12:22 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Location of the Wizard's lab J. L. Bell: >Another change from OZOPLANING: The Wizard's lab has moved from behind the >throne room to the "top of the palace" [147], up in one of the towers. >WONDER CITY and Neill's other books were so firm on this point that it's >stuck with me more strongly than the old lab. Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall the Wizard having a tower room in at least one of Baum's books. Thompson was consistent in placing it behind the throne room, where he lived before the time of WIZARD, and returned to in DOTWIZ. Snow, like Neill, placed the Wizard's laboratory in a tower, and Dick Martin returned it to its Thompsonian location. I think the most likely explanation for these discrepancies is that the Wizard actually has two laboratories, probably for different kinds of magical experiments. Nathan |
| 035 [Return to index] | Subject: Wonder City | From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at ...> |
From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at ...> Date: Tue May 27, 2003 1:53 pm Subject: Wonder City "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> interesting point that the plot of "Wonder City" is lengthened a bit by including a more-or-less-repeat of action of "Ozoplaning." > Some significant time must have passed between the two books because Ozma has a new model of ozoplane [121], while Jack Pumpkinhead for some reason has moved into an old one [84]. Even this old model doesn't work like those we saw in OZOPLANING, however: it has a lever for a starter instead of buttons [161], and Neill draws levers among the controls [214]. So Ozma's must be at least the third-generation design. > I wonder if it might be minor tinkering with the controls, leading to decision to construct a new second model, rather than three full stages of design. > Another change from OZOPLANING: The Wizard's lab has moved from behind the throne room to the "top of the palace" [147], up in one of the towers. WONDER CITY and Neill's other books were so firm on this point that it's stuck with me more strongly than the old lab. > The idea that a wizard needs a tower to live in is probably pretty old --goes back to idea that a powerful source of magic is knowledge of the stars, and idea that a wizard needs a tower to get a good view of them. I think the last time this topic was mentioned, I came up with some older examples of wizards in towers, but at the moment the only example coming to mind is the modern one of Tolkien's Saruman in the tower of Isengard. "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> > Subject: WONDER CITY Magic Picture (again)> Ozma pulls back the curtain over her Magic Picture on page 29: "This picture showed everything that was happening in the Land of Oz. Ozma smiled as she saw a peaceful country scene, for this meant that there was peace and happiness everywhere in her kingdom."> I now propose that the writer's intent in this passage, and perhaps Neill's original text, presented the Magic Picture as showing the entire land of Oz from above, much like the bird's-eye view we see in the endpapers for OZOPLANING. Neill drew a number of such views of Oz or the Emerald City in the period from OZOPLANING to LUCKY BUCKY, sometimes as maps or schematic drawings of journeys. Thus, the Picture really did show "everything that was happening in the Land of Oz" at the moment Ozma looked, but not in close-up. And with no forest fires, advancing armies, or other calamities visible, the scene she saw was a peaceful country--rendered in the text as "a peaceful country scene." Then in the sky above that landscape the Picture picked up Jenny, jumping her way into Oz. > Interesting idea. But visually it seems difficult, because a view from above would (I think?) show Jenny's jump as indistinguishable from someone traveling at ground-level. Even the "Ozoplaning" endpapers view of a map of Oz with Jellia riding a Stratovanian flying-stick through a strip of sky at the top doesn't leavel a lot of room for a sky-view. And there'd still be a good deal of luck (or perhaps magic-based choice) in getting a view that was angled enough off direct vertical to get a view of some sky and also pointing in the right direction of sky to include Jenny. If there's going to be that much luck (or choice) in the "peaceful country scene," perhaps, after all, what Neill intended was simply not the entire country, but just that the Magic Picture was showing a sample rural view, with its sample (luckily or purposefully) including a view of Jenny? Also interesting point that the Heeler's have a barrier that is Glilnda's old "Emerald City" spell to get past, rather than being barred by the Deadly Desert alone (which isn't a barrier to them, as they live in it). Baum had showed the barrier as a rosy cloud in "Scarecrow," which would conceal Oz from aerial survey and is somewhat disorienting to a traveller passing through it, but not otherwise a bar to crossing. But maybe the disorientation while travelling through it (similar to the difficulties crossing the Great Fog Bank in Sky Island?). RPT's air-travellers (e.g., Tatters, Jinnicky, Kabumpo) don't seem to encounter any such cloud -- maybe meaning that they went through it at greater speeds and didn't take notice of it, or maybe meaning local variation in the strength of the spell? Ruth Berman |
| 036 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY turn-style | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:27:42 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> Subject: WONDER CITY turn-style One mystery of WONDER CITY is how that turn-style works. I didn't think it was a big mystery until I read an early draft of one of the stories in OZIANA for 2003: "The Bashful Baker of Oz," by Kieran Miller. That tale shows Jenny's employees feeding cloth into the turn-style. I recalled the turn-style working by instantaneously transforming whatever clothes a person had on, without needing a supply of cloth. So which was right? In different ways, it turns out, the book's text supports both ideas. Jenny stocks her store with "bolts of cloth" conjured up by her fairy fingers [72]. She also uses that hand to cut and seam cloth [74-5], an image Neill draws [73] so we know it was part of his original conception. And by sending Number Nine through the turn-style she instantly clothes him "in the breeches that Jenny had just made" [76], though the text doesn't explain how this happens. Yet we also see the turn-style change people's clothing without having had any fabric fed into it or other preparation: Jenny's discovery of its power [64-5], Scraps's misfortune [96-7], Number Nine's [103], the Munchkin family [186-90], and so on. It appears that Jenny uses actual cloth and her fairy powers mainly to make "display styles" that draw customers [143; cf. 107]. Evidently the turn-style can't make clothing out of midair. Jenny can do that with her fairy powers, but the turn-style allows faster production. There are still many mysteries about the turn-style. For instance, after giving his siblings "each a pair of pajamas" by sending them through [188, illustrated 187], Nine sends them through again for grown-up clothes. Does this mean the pajamas have disappeared? (It seems like a sign of changing times that in 1940 ten- and twelve-year-olds were expected to hanker after adult dress-up clothes, rather than adults wishing to dress like eleven-year-olds.) The way the turn-style becomes "bright and shiny" in Jenny's shop [66, 72, 193, 216] may be a lingering effect of the fairy fingers she uses to pull the magic machine apart and rebuild it. But the text makes no mention of that, implying the phenomenon is part of how Jenny's house is glad to see her. (I note that her house even makes breakfast, but there's no such service from the house on Pudding Place where Number Nine and his uncle live [182; cf. 141].) Finally, if Jenny has 619 left shoes and wants right shoes, why doesn't she just feed them through the turn-style and turn the votes her way? For that matter, what sort of couturiere would let her customers limp out of her shop in only one shoe? J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com |
| 037 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY familiar faces | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:59:11 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> Subject: WONDER CITY familiar faces One of my pet theories about the Emerald City is that the Guardian of the Gates in PATCHWORK GIRL is not the same one as in WIZARD, LAND, and most other books, but a less dedicated fellow brought into the service when Ozma had more gates built in her city walls. Well, he seems to be back in WONDER CITY. The gatekeeper Neill pictures on page 68 is obviously not the little, round-faced bespectacled man in WIZARD and LAND. We know from OZOPLANING that the Guardian Dorothy first met is so conscientious that he refuses to leave his post even for her party. But this one decides to "take a little snooze," "promptly fell asleep," and naps through the attack of the Heelers [126, cf. 139]. Among other familiar characters, we've already discussed the Wizard's odd habit of going around in disguises even though almost everyone in the capital seems to know him [142]. Scraps moves beyond boisterous to combative in this book [156, 175]. She's actually quite unappealing, and it seems surprising that Neill made her a protagonist in RUNAWAY if he imagined her this way. And enough of the art shows her in aggressive mode that I infer he did. Prof. Wogglebug plays a bigger role in this book than in any since ROYAL BOOK, as I recall, as well as a major role in RUNAWAY. His love of puns is back after LAND, though now he takes them seriously. His school has become the "College of Art and Athletic Perfection" [77]. Most notably, the editor seems to have been fixated on Prof. Wogglebug's antennae [77, 83, 119, etc.]. I infer these mentions came from the editor rather than Neill because they appear mostly in scenes involving the ozlection. But Neill's picture of the Wogglebug eating grapes on page 315 is striking in its own grotesque way. For one thing, he appears to have forgotten his clothing. Jellia Jamb is a slapstick comic, a far cry from the heroine of OZOPLANING. But at least she gets her full last name back. Tik-Tok has a new speech pattern, with hyphens between his words instead of in mul-ti-syl-lab-ic words [e.g., 119]. Umph and Grumph don't closely resemble the Nomes of previous Oz books very carefully. They dress in red and green, not gray [191]. They "lived in a kingdom underneath Oz," rather than under Ev [204-5]. They seem to be the only creatures who change physically rather than simply change clothes when they go through the turn-style [192] (unless we count Scraps, and in her case the clothes make the woman). That change also reveals a fixation on warts and ugliness that isn't evident in earlier Nomes, nor do Umph and Grumph show most Nomes' congenital interest in digging and minerals. On the other hand, Umph and Grumph are "short and earth colored," and afraid of eggs [191], like regular Nomes. The text associates them with "red-hot coals" and "Sulphur and brimstone!" like the old Nome King [195-6]. I suspect that some details in the WONDER CITY text are in error. Neill may have mistaken Umph and Grumph for Nomes even though they're from another race who live in Oz and would want the turn-style. Or these Nomes mau have come from under Ev for some unstated reason. We've talked about how Sir Hokus returns to the Emerald City as he first appeared in the Oz series, as a frustrated, old-fashioned old knight. Ojo is back from Seebania as Kabumpo's elephant boy, while Kabumpo seems to be living in an "enclosure where the animals were chained" [217] rather than in his Pumperdink or Regalia apartments. Another Thompson return might appear in the art on 36: Peg Amy as a wooden doll. Finally, Ozma is generally a more assertive and inspired character than she's been in many Thompson books. For instance, she has the idea to call the firefly fairies to drive off the Heelers [133]. But not all her ideas and choices are that wise or, despite her stated intentions, fair. Ozma sets the main plot in motion by deciding to call an election [51], then accepts the advantage of the first vote [272]. Even though Jenny is working magic in the capital and trying to conceal it [110], Ozma makes one of her exceptions for favored people after she receives a special dress [116]. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com |
| 038 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY ozlection | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:59:17 -0400
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com>
Subject: WONDER CITY ozlection
Nathan DeHoff wrote:
<<Before Siko Pompus votes, the total weight of everyone who voted comes
out to 3,200,180 pounds. According to EMERALD CITY, the capital itself has
more than 50,000 residents, while there are about 500,000 in all of Oz (and
even that might be a low estimate, since it was from a time before a lot of
small communities were discovered). Even if only the Emerald City-ites
voted, that would average out to each person weighing roughly sixty pounds,
which I would think is a bit low.>>
We can approach this question from another direction as well. WONDER CITY
tells us some characters' weights:
* Scraps is only nine pounds, at least in her boy's bathing-suit form [177].
* Omby Amby is 125 pounds [274]. That seems too low for a woman of
closely-packed cotton and a man over six feet tall, no matter how skinny. Yet...
* A Winkie girl is 67 pounds and a Gillikin boy 87, seemingly right
for American measures [273].
* An unidentified voter weighs 83 pounds [281].
* A "weary old man" weighs 78 [281].
* The singer who's lost his voice is 300 pounds [277].
These seven voters total 749 pounds, or 107 apiece. If we drop Scraps and
the singer as atypical extremes, the other Ozians average 88 pounds. That
might imply there are fewer than 37,000 voters, which in turns suggests
that Neill's editor viewed the land of Oz as considerably smaller than Baum
had described. Or she didn't have a good head for numbers.
J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com
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| 039 [Return to index] | Subject: Location of the Wizard's lab | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at ...> Date: Thu May 29, 2003 9:59 pm Subject: Location of the Wizard's lab Nathan DeHoff wrote: <<Maybe I'm wrong, but I seem to recall the Wizard having a tower room in at least one of Baum's books.>> It was there in MAGIC, according to Melody Grandy's gleanings on the layout of the palace. In all other Baum books, it appears, his workshop is behind the throne room. For some types of experiments, I suppose that location might not have been safe or secret enough. Ruth Berman wrote: <<The idea that a wizard needs a tower to live in is probably pretty old --goes back to idea that a powerful source of magic is knowledge of the stars, and idea that a wizard needs a tower to get a good view of them. I think the last time this topic was mentioned, I came up with some older examples of wizards in towers, but at the moment the only example coming to mind is the modern one of Tolkien's Saruman in the tower of Isengard.>> Thompson puts wizards (or other magic-workers) in towers in YELLOW KNIGHT and SPEEDY. Waddy's method for visitors to zip back down is not at all dissimilar from the Wizard's Ambassa-door in WONDER CITY. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at ... |
| 040 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY place in the canon | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:33:17 -0400
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com>
Subject: WONDER CITY place in the canon
Nathan DeHoff wrote:
<<Personally, I find quite a bit to like in the Neill books, and wouldn't
want to totally remove them from the canon. Nevertheless, I think Neill
and his editors were prone to exaggeration, and I think the events in the
Neill Oz books must be taken with a grain of salt. I would accept the
basic events of WONDER CITY, but I'm not totally sure whether the houses of
the Emerald City actually had a battle. Of course, I tend to be an Oz
inclusionist anyway, accepting a lot of non-FF/R&L books and stories into
my personal canon, although I give more weight to some authors and accounts
than to others.>>
The house battle is part of both the published WONDER CITY and Neill's
original manuscript, as indicated by the fact that he drew pictures of it.
So even though I find it neither consistent with the other Oz books nor an
appealing new idea, it's harder to rule that event "out of order" than the
ozlection or Jenny's personality surgery, neither of which came from Neill.
On the other hand, some elements of WONDER CITY that I like most, such as
Number Nine's relationship to Jenny, don't appear in the art. Indeed, that
relationship may not be easily illustrable without words.
I've described my approach to Neill's books within Oz history before, but
since I'm typing at home I can't hear any objections to my repeating it. I
posit that just as Ozma had allowed some sort of connection to Baum and
then Thompson for her inner court to tell those chroniclers about
adventures in and near Oz, she also created some way for Neill to see what
was going on in her country. Thus, he was usually able to draw accurate
portraits of people and places, though he probably never witnessed
unplanned events during the adventures.
When he took over as Royal Historian, however, Neill was at a disadvantage.
He could still see events in Oz, especially in the Emerald City, but he had
very little information about how those events fit together. The books'
texts therefore collect the images he found most arresting and his best
guesses about how they fit together.
I flatter myself that this theory explains why:
* Neill challenges readers in the WONDER CITY author's note, "Were the
pictures made to go with the story or was the story written to explain
the pictures?"
* Two distinct narratives exist for the same images in WONDER CITY.
(After that book, I imagine Neill might have been granted a little more
information from Ozma, though it still seems very choppy.)
* Neill's books contain so many loose threads and contradictions with
the previous and subsequent titles.
* Neill's books are more tightly based on events in the Emerald City than most.
J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com
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| 041 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY art oddities | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 12:33:26 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> Subject: WONDER CITY art oddities We know that Neill wrote a somewhat different text for WONDER CITY, and then his Reilly & Lee editor composed a new text to fit his artwork. We also know that the publisher altered his artwork sometimes to fit the new text. For instance, on page 54 Number Nine was originally looking through a keyhole. The full image was printed in a recent BAUM BUGLE, I believe. There are some other telltale signs of alterations in the art. The image opening chapter 8 is a collage of details (some flopped) from later drawings [81, 263], with smudgy lines drawn in to fill out the Scarecrow's shoulders. Something has been erased from Nine's right hand on page 245, and perhaps also from his left. Neill himself may have left Number Nine's right leg off of page 89, or it may simply be lost somewhere inside his M. C. Hammer pants. We also know that Neill wrote his original text around older illustrations he had in his studio, most obviously those on page 206 and 134-5. So his editor actually provided the THIRD explanation of what was happening in that art. In the case of the image of Jenny and the firefly fairies on 134-5, it's notable that we never actually see this scene in the text. The moment is narrated from Ozma's point of view, with Jenny zipping out of the scene and then returning [136-7]. There are also moments when the text and art don't match up. For instance, the text says, "The sky sweepers had feather brooms growing where their hands should be," while a cloud pusher "looked like a windbag shaped like a man. It was almost transparent" [165]. That implies the feathered creature on page 163 is a sky sweeper. Yet a similarly feathered creature on the endpapers is labeled by Neill as a "cloud Pusher." The drawing of a rail fence about to wallop Jenny [289] is one of the strangest bits of art. It appears to have been drawn for the same stretch of adventures as the drawings on 43, 48, 285, 287, and the ozoplane journey, judging by Jenny's hairstyle. The bit of action shown on page 289 and described one page later involves the book's heroine being laid out cold by a hostile element of the Oz landscape. That strikes me as unusually violent for an Oz book. The child-protagonist is rarely the object of such violence, protected by either luck or magic like the Pink Pearl. I recall Randy being knocked out in PURPLE PRINCE, but no such violence against a female protagonist. And, as the ending of HARRY POTTER #1 showed, the culture still follows a different standard when it comes to beating up girls. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com |
| 042 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: WONDER CITY art oddities | From: "David" <chaosdsl at ...> |
From: "David" <chaosdsl at ...> Date: Sun Jun 8, 2003 6:31 pm Subject: Re: WONDER CITY art oddities J. L. Bell wrote: "Something has been erased from Nine's right hand on page 245..." It looks to me like it was a bucket (and the curved line left in Nine's hand is the handle. "Neill himself may have left Number Nine's right leg off of page 89, or it may simply be lost somewhere inside his M. C. Hammer pants." Or it could be stuck out behind him at an extreme angle. He could be taking large strides to try to keep up with the Crier, who seems to be pushing him along. David Larson |
| 043 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Re: WONDER CITY art oddities | From: WCam60 at ... |
From: WCam60 at ... Date: Mon Jun 9, 2003 10:50 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Re: WONDER CITY art oddities In reference to the picture on page 89 of Number Nine and the Town Crier " Apparently Neill wasn't quite sure what to do with Number Nine's right leg. On the original artwork, there are several traces of the leg drawn in pencil (and erased), but at a bit of an odd angle. Neill seems to have thought better of it and moved on. Unfortunately, it does leave Number Nine looking a bit odd! Bill Campbell |
| 044 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY Number Nine, Number Nine, Number... | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:23:31 -0400 From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> Subject: WONDER CITY Number Nine, Number Nine, Number... Number Nine gets so abused in WONDER CITY! Jenny seems to trick him into whistlebreeches, or at least takes advantage of his crush on her. She also shoves him out into danger [103], pelts him with 621 left shoes [114], and blames him for everything she can [97]. Because of his pants, the Town Cryer criticizes Nine [88], the animal-plants tease him [93], and Scraps torments him [96]. On many days he "had to fix breakfast for himself and his uncle" [191], even though the man has nothing else to do. He gets "covered...with coal" [131] and spun through the turn-style and into an "evening gown," among other outfits [103]. Rereading this book shows me why I feel so much more sympathy for Nine than for most of Thompson's fortunate heroes. Many of those aspects of his persona fade away in Neill's next two books, and by LUCKY BUCKY he's ordering King Kaliko around. But I find this hapless, smitten boy more interesting to imagine stories for. Nathan DeHoff wrote: <line with what Thompson wrote about aging, my belief is that everyone ages to the stop-growing age, and then has a choice whether or not to age anymore. The stop-growing age seems to vary from family to family, but it's probably often around ten, an age at which many Ozites (Philador and Ojo come to mind) prefer to remain.>> I assume the "stop-growing age" [55] is cultural rather than biological, so Number Nine's family has chosen the ages at which its boys and girls cease aging. (The boys get to be older, and there are a whole bunch of issues involved in that which I won't go into.) A cultural model would mean other families have other stop-growing ages, as Neill implies, but also that many might reject the concept and let every member age as he or she chooses. That would explain why the formal concept hasn't appeared in the Oz books before. Like question time, it's a custom of this traditional, blueblooded Munchkin family, but not necessarily widespread. A familial "stop-growing age" would mean that a rebellious child might choose to stop aging before his or her parents wish, or to keep going. Of course, that would be a rebellion only if the family has made a "stop-growing age" rule, as Nine's parents have done. Less controlling parents may not feel they should try to determine a child's age. And no rule, no rebellion. There are other sorts of potential complications in Ozian aging or non-aging, of course. Sister Six seems to have been born before Nine, but stopped growing at an earlier age. Is she now his older sister or his younger sister? Does he feel differently about his older younger sisters than about his younger younger sisters? J. L. Bell JnoLBell at compuserve.com |
| 045 [Return to index] | Subject: WONDER CITY interesting qualities | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com> |
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 19:23:40 -0400
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at compuserve.com>
Subject: WONDER CITY interesting qualities
I've written a variation on this comment before, but y'all have to suffer
through it again. In WONDER CITY, Neill and his editor together created a
new and potentially much more interesting type of Oz sequel. The main model
for Oz novels so far shows a young person from America or a corner of Oz
being forced by natural disaster or circumstance to leave home, having
adventures, and ending up in the Emerald City for a rescue, a party, and/or
a trip home. (Sometimes the young person is living in the Emerald City in
the first place, but is taken away by villains, magic, or villainous magic,
and then has to get back in time for the party.)
By contrast, in WONDER CITY Jenny Jump and Number Nine reach the Emerald
City EARLY. By chapter 7 out of 28 they both have homes and jobs in the
capital, with a royal welcome. (They may come earlier in the published text
than in Neill's surviving manuscript, but in both versions they settle in
the capital before most of the episodes.) Reaching the Emerald City is
where most Oz books end. But in this novel it's just the beginning. Jenny
and Nine have to learn how to live in that society, get along with other
people, and grow up or down as need be [258].
Symbolizing this reversal, Ozma's birthday party is at the end of ROAD and
MAGIC, but in this book occurs at the beginning, in chapter 3. It's not the
engine of the action, just a landmark along the way.
WONDER CITY thus tells readers that life in the Emerald City isn't perfect.
It can in fact be as full of difficulties and frustrations as living many
other places, especially since people bring their quirks with them wherever
they go. The book thus downplays geographic change in favor of character
change, a more mature theme. It also hints that lives in the Emerald City
need not be hunky-dory or monotonous.
Of course, the published text presents this theme in a ham-handed way.
Jenny's character changes not because of her own decisions but because a
knowing adult, the Wizard, secretly works changes on her [147-8, 307-10].
For all the editor's efforts to create a narrative through-line with the
ozlection, the plot grinds to a halt at the end of chapter 13 with the
defeat of the Heelers, needing new conflicts out of the blue (Jenny's age,
the chocolate war) to energize it again.
Neither young character is fully consistent. Jenny is entranced with her
fairy gifts at first, but barely notes their disappearance [155, 174]. She
realizes that she's youthing, but doesn't consider any consequence of that
but her clothing [151, 168]. After several chapters in which Jenny's temper
has disappeared, it returns just in time to be a character failing that
needs fixing [284].
As for Number Nine, we see him as a pleasant boy for a couple of chapters,
and then he suddenly turns lazy, gluttonous, and (most annoying of all)
unable to carry a tune [74]. He falls in love with a girl of a certain age
and personality, yet is supposed to retain his infatuation even after the
Wizard accurately tells him, "You will hardly recognize your Boss after
today" [307].
Despite those serious weaknesses, the innovative overall structure of
WONDER CITY makes it a useful addition to the series for me. I also think
there are occasional moments of interesting prose from the editor.
The moment in which Jenny Jump gains her fairy powers offers a mix of
hypersensations that eventually mirrors (echoes? tastes like?) the harmless
neurological phenomenon called "synesthesia."
Her toes on one foot began to tingle and
want to dance. First one finger felt that
it was tinkling like a silver bell, then
another finger, and then another. Both of
her ears were full of wonderful music, and
she could hear the chairs talking to each
other. One eye changed and saw everything
with new and more beautiful colors. Even
the old kitchen wall became as bright as a
rainbow. She felt like the song of an oriole,
and the murmuring of leaves. [19]
Later, for anger the text says, "Red thunder filled Jenny's head" [224].
Two other rather well-written passages, one definitely from the editor and
the other probably so, are
* Hokus's battle in the dark with a Heeler [128]
* Jenny's suspenseful escape from the chocolate cell [210-1]
Baum wrote such action episodes so matter-of-factly that their tone doesn't
much vary from his less suspenseful moments (see, for instance, Inga's
struggles with the three caverns in RINKITINK). Thompson seemed in such a
hurry to get through each episode that at active moments she wasn't always
clear about what characters were doing.
On the other hand, whoever wrote the verse on page 60 of WONDER CITY
doesn't have metrical verse down pat; Thompson wouldn't have left that
second line as it is. And WONDER CITY is a very violent Oz book, with
houses smashing into each other, Scraps pummeling people for no reason, and
the heroine finally being knocked unconscious by a bu |