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| 001 [Return to index] | Subject: WISH Chronology |
Day 1 - Skamperoo obtains first emerald necklace
Day 3 - Matiah delivered to Skamperoo "as the afternoon of the second day
drew to a close" - Chalk arrives - Jo King and High Boy consult - Dorothy
and the Scarecrow plan the celebration of discovery of Oz by mortals
Day 4 - Skamperoo decides to conquer Oz in AM ("just as the castle clock
tolled seven") - he makes Pinny Penny king, and Pinny Penny banishes Matiah
- Matiah arrives at Deadly Desert at "nightfall" - first day of the great
celebration (visitors begin to arrive "shortly after noon" and festivities
continue until "the sun had begun to slip down behind the treetops") -
celebration interrupted during Grand Banquet & Ozma, Wizard, Jinnicky, rulers
of 4 countries disappear - Dorothy & Pigasus flee to Winkie country in evening,
flying for "several hours" - night in summer house - Banquet lasts "till
long after three o'clock"
Day 5 - Skamperoo & Chalk breakfast in garden ("it was still fairly
early") - second day of great festival, including circus, picnic, fireworks
- Matiah steals necklaces at night - Dorothy & Pigasus cross Winkie River at
noon, blunder into Black Forest - afternoon and dinner with Gloma - they are wished
to Ev "as the black banjo clock in the corner of the hall struck a musical
ten" - night in Kaliko's chambers
Day 6 - Skamperoo misses necklaces before breakfast - Matiah hides in sub-basement
- Kaliko welcomes Dot, Pigasus after breakfast - directs travelers, offers them
limited assistance - Dorothy & Pigasus fly all day "with only a short
pause for lunch" - arrive at Dooners in time for supper, meet Dooners at night
- visit Bitty Bit after escaping from Dooners, night in tower
Day 7 - Dot & Piggins breakfast with Bitty Bit - they travel to EC,
arriving "just as the soft musical gong sounded the call for luncheon"
- Skamperoo & Chalk negotiate - Ozites restored - Skamperoo returns to Skampavia
Day 8 - Dorothy tells Ozma the secret of the wishing emeralds at "the
end of the second day"
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| 002 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE celebration | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 8:35 am Subject: WISHING HORSE celebration Some Thompson's books make it obvious what title by Baum (or herself) she's reviewed before writing: OJO summarizes PATCHWORK GIRL, for instance. WISHING HORSE recalls Baum's ROAD, but not in the same way. In fact, it's clear that Thompson did NOT reread ROAD shortly before writing WISHING HORSE. She refers to "Zixie [sic] the little queen," who appears in ROAD and her own book as a tall woman [22]; a "cheerful King of Merryland" rather than Queen Dolly [23]; and Noland as an unpopulated desert, with no mention of King Bud [20, 22]. Rather, in WISHING HORSE Thompson appears to try the same thing that Baum did in ROAD: to bring a smorgasbord of characters from past books together to unify and celebrate her output. As in ROAD, there's a banquet and a parade featuring characters not only from the Emerald City but from many other books--including even such obscure or distant characters as Grumpy the bear and King Ato. Plus, one character who can't make it--Happy Toko from ROYAL BOOK--sends fireworks [85]. When Baum wrote ROAD, he expected his next Oz book to be his last. By reintroducing some old Oz characters (e.g., Jack Pumpkinhead, Crooked Magician, royal family of Ev) and bringing in people from his other fantasies (Santa Claus, John Dough, Candy Man), he was serving himself both literarily and financially. David L. Greene's afterword to the Oz Club edition of WISHING HORSE hints that Thompson was thinking about winding down her series as well. Her author's note promises only "Another Oz book maybe, if you still want one." With such a celebratory chapter 6, I had to concentrate to note which friends of Ozma DON'T appear, and there are some surprises on that list. At the top is her father Pastoria, along with Snip, Pajuka, Humpy, and the rulers of Kimbaloo. The lost king is even supposed to be living in the capital. Neither Carter Green or King Evered of Rash make the scene. The Iffin from JACK PUMPKINHEAD is on hand, but that book's happy couple are no-shows. The Pumperdink royal family attends, but not King Randy of Regalia. Thompson breaks her usual pattern of mentioning characters from her most recent book by leaving out the Umbrellians. And of course she continues to ignore many of Baum's second-tier celebrities, even those whom he left living in Ozma's palace: Button-Bright, the Shaggy Man, the Frogman, the Tin Soldier, Cap'n Bill, and so on. One odd and unforeseen result of Thompson's choices is that her Pastoria remains completely under copyright protection, while other characters brought back for WISHING HORSE have slipped into the public domain TO THE EXTENT THAT SHE DESCRIBES THEM HERE. Thus, any author can state that Ojo is the son of the king of Seebania, but the name of that king, the location of Seebania, and how they came to be reunited are still copyright-protected. The celebration may also offer clues to otherwise unspecified Ozian history. It's meant to commemorate the discovery of Oz by the Wizard and Dorothy [82]. Usually such celebrations are on anniversaries tied to the century calendar, and Ozians' immortality implies they'd have no reason to speed up that pattern. If it's been 50 years since the Wizard arrived in Oz, for instance, that would mean there were about 15 years between his arrival and Dorothy's. There are hints of a few more untold stories in this parade: * Trot and Betsy are "Princesses in their own right" as well as Dorothy [86]. Is Thompson referring to their honors from Rash, Sky Island, and the Ozure Isles? Or might she mean they were all princesses of Oz by this time? * Cheeriobed, despite having been menaced for decades by Quiberon, brings a dragon to the Emerald City [93]. This dragon is blue [101] and male [108], and must have a story of some sort. * Ozma has chosen a float "formed like a sea-shell," with attendants in white gowns [104], both details reminiscent of Botticelli's Venus. Why would the ruler of a landlocked nation present herself as connected to the sea? * Thompson says Notta Bit More is from Philadelphia [85]. She doesn't say that in COWARDLY LION, but that book has other mentions of the Philadelphia area. Bob Up is said to come either from the city itself or from the Stumptown orphanage, and there's a Stumptown in southeastern Pennsylvania. At some points, Thompson's description of people at the celebration conflicts with statements elsewhere in the Oz series. The Hungry Tiger has to "buy" food [91]. The Woozy is said to be made of wood [92]. The Scarecrow seems out of character in these chapters: expressing stage fright [88], "breathless" [100], and unusually pessimistic about the Soldier's beard [109--compare this to his supposedly cheery response to the fat men from the sky in SPEEDY]. In some important ways Thompson uses the "Great Celebration" to much better effect than Baum used Ozma's birthday party in ROAD. In the earlier book, the celebrations were spectacular, but their only role in the storyline was as a long anticlimax. Thompson puts her parade near the START of the book. And just when all that celebrating starts to get boring, she brings Skamperoo and Chalk smack down in the middle of it. The nearly complete review of Thompson's Oz turns out to serve the narrative tension in two ways: it shows us precisely what's at stake in this battle over who rules Oz, and it emphasizes how isolated Dorothy is in her memory of Ozma. Thereafter, the plot becomes not Dorothy's attempt to get TO Oz, as in ROAD, but rather to escape from it. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 003 [Return to index] | Subject: THE WISHING HORSE | From: Stephen Teller <steller at p...> |
From: Stephen Teller <steller at p...> Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 11:44 am Subject: THE WISHING HORSE We have finally got to THE WISHING HORSE OF OZ, my favorite Thompson Oz book (I know I am not alone in this.) I thought I would post a few comments on it by way of explanation. 1. Skamperoo is not your typical Oz villain; he is hedonistic, lazy, discontented and envious--but he is not evil or wicked. He has no intention of harming his victims or his new subjects. He is also one of the few characters in Thompson who actually show growth (Tandy in CAPTAIN SALT is another). Finally neither he not anyone else is punished at the end of the book, no "drop of water at the bottom of the Nonestic Ocean" washing out, or transformations into cacti or seabirds or other things. 2. Chalk is able to defend his actions to Dorothy as an example of loyalty. Why should his loyalty to Skamperoo be less admirable than Dorothy's to Ozma? 3. The scene with Gloma is very instructive for Dorothy. Here is a witch who is afraid of Dorothy because of her reputation as a witch destroyer (and considering her tradtment of Notta it seems justified). Gloma may seem like a villain for a time, but she is acting in self-defence. 4. This book is remarkable low in Irrelevant Episodes. Except for the Dooners there is nothing that does not related directly to the main action. I do have one problem with this book. Everything else gets explained, but Why do the Soldier with the Green Whiskers' whiskers suddenly turn red? It is necessary so that Dorothy can take the wishing pill, but no reason is ever given. Steve Teller |
| 004 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE celebration | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Mon Apr 1, 2002 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE celebration J. L. Bell: >Some Thompson's books make it obvious what title by Baum (or herself) she's >reviewed before writing: OJO summarizes PATCHWORK GIRL, for instance. >WISHING HORSE recalls Baum's ROAD, but not in the same way. In fact, it's >clear that Thompson did NOT reread ROAD shortly before writing WISHING >HORSE. She refers to "Zixie [sic] the little queen," who appears in ROAD >and her own book as a tall woman [22] Maybe she means "little" in the sense of "young," rather than physically small. >and Noland as an unpopulated desert, with no >mention of King Bud [20, 22]. That bothered me as well. My guess would be that, when trying to find a location for her new country, Thompson looked at the map, and, forgetting that Noland was the setting for most of QUEEN ZIXI, considered it from its name to be a sort of "no-man's land." Indeed, Skampavia borders on both Ix and Merryland, and to the north is nothing but "a strip of sandy desert" and the Nonestic Ocean. Considering that he only mentions a "strip," and that Skampavia is (according to Pinny Penny) about one-fiftieth the size of Oz, this presumably means that the "Noland" area is not very large at all, according to this book. It is interesting, however, that both Noland and Ev are given northern seashores, which are not shown on the TIK-TOK maps, but fit with the idea that the Roly-Rogues floated to the sea from a river in Noland. In her next book, Thompson makes it clear that Oz is surrounded by "a narrow rim" of countries, and then the Nonestic Ocean, making the Contintent of Imagination rather small for a continent. >With such a celebratory chapter 6, I had to concentrate to note which >friends of Ozma DON'T appear, and there are some surprises on that list. At >the top is her father Pastoria, along with Snip, Pajuka, Humpy, and the >rulers of Kimbaloo. The lost king is even supposed to be living in the >capital. Neither Carter Green or King Evered of Rash make the scene. The >Iffin from JACK PUMPKINHEAD is on hand, but that book's happy couple are >no-shows. The Pumperdink royal family attends, but not King Randy of >Regalia. Pompadore, Peg Amy, and Kabumpo all attend, but King Pompus and Queen Pozy Pink do not, and the young couple apparently left their daughter at home with her grandparents. The fact that Randy did not attend is mentioned in SILVER PRINCESS, and becomes evidence of the standards held by the Grand Duke Hoochafoo, but, if Thompson intended CAPTAIN SALT to be her last Oz book, then this was probably not planned. It shows better observation on Thompson's part than does CAPTAIN SALT, however, in which King Ato and Roger insist that they have not seen Samuel Salt since the end of PIRATES, yet they are clearly mentioned as attending the celebration in WISHING HORSE. One possible explanation that I thought of is that Ato, Roger, and the Captain left Oz during Skamperoo's short reign, and that this somehow confused them. >Thompson breaks her usual pattern of mentioning characters from >her most recent book by leaving out the Umbrellians. And of course she >continues to ignore many of Baum's second-tier celebrities, even those whom >he left living in Ozma's palace: Button-Bright, the Shaggy Man, the >Frogman, the Tin Soldier, Cap'n Bill, and so on. Did the Frogman actually settle in the Emerald City? Maybe I am missing something, but I do not recall there being any mention of this at the end of LOST PRINCESS, and GLINDA refers to him as being a "guest of honor." Why would he be considered a "guest" if he lived in the city? MAGIC says that he "had come from the Yip country to be present at Ozma's birthday feast." >The celebration may also offer clues to otherwise unspecified Ozian >history. It's meant to commemorate the discovery of Oz by the Wizard and >Dorothy [82]. Usually such celebrations are on anniversaries tied to the >century calendar, and Ozians' immortality implies they'd have no reason to >speed up that pattern. If it's been 50 years since the Wizard arrived in >Oz, for instance, that would mean there were about 15 years between his >arrival and Dorothy's. That would hardly be enough time for the Wizard to grow from a "young man" to a "very old man," would it? Perhaps it is more likely that WISHING HORSE takes place at the thirty-fifth anniversary of Dorothy's arrival. >* Thompson says Notta Bit More is from Philadelphia [85]. She doesn't say >that in COWARDLY LION, but that book has other mentions of the Philadelphia >area. Bob Up is said to come either from the city itself or from the >Stumptown orphanage, and there's a Stumptown in southeastern Pennsylvania. According to MapQuest, Stumptown is near Lancaster. This is in southeastern Pennsylvania, but I would not see why the orphanage director would have taken the orphans sixty miles from Philadelphia to Stumptown in order to see a circus. Or is there another Stumptown of which I am unaware? Incidentally, another character not mentioned as attending the celebration is Nickadoodle, despite the fact that he moved in with Notta and Bob at the end of COWARDLY LION. Nathan |
| 005 [Return to index] | Subject: Wishing Horse | From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at m...> |
From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at m...> Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 1:02 pm Subject: Wishing Horse J.L. Bell & Steve Teller & Dave Hardenbrook: Enjoyed your discussions of "Wishing Horse." Steve comments that Skamperoo is not wicked. He does have his wicked moments in his willingness to steal emeralds and to get rid of inconvenient people by exile/permanent coma. His avoidance of outright killing might be considered a point of virtue, but it's so hard to kill Ozites anyhow, that it's not clear if this moderation is the result of any goodness in him. But certainly he lacks the vengeful temper of Mombi or Ruggedo, and his growth by the end of the story to be able to find happiness in his own back yard seems plausible. A possible explanation for why the Soldier's green whiskers turn red (and alert Dorothy to take her precautious wish) -- maybe RPT was assuming that the reason his whiskers are green must be magical, and that the magic producing his green whiskers might react to magical attack to produce this effect, even though the explanations of how he came by that magic and just how it works are not given. Ruth Berman |
| 006 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] THE WISHING HORSE | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 4:30 pm Subject: Re: [Nonestica] THE WISHING HORSE Steve Teller: >Finally neither he not anyone else is >punished at the end of the book, no "drop of water at the bottom of the >Nonestic Ocean" washing out, or transformations into cacti or seabirds >or other things. Actually, the eagle who brings Matiah to Oz is turned into a sparrow. Nathan |
| 007 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE celebration | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 4:33 pm Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE celebration Dave Hardenbrook: >Monday, April 01, 2002, 5:35:51 AM, J. L. Bell wrote: > >JLB> She refers to "Zixie [sic] the little queen," who appears in ROAD >JLB> and her own book as a tall woman [22]... > >She certainly has the "Little girl" fixation doesn't she? Baum described Zixi as appearing to be about sixteen years old, so I would assume she means "little" in the sense of "young," rather than "physically small." >So why is she given the last word on Ozma? Who says she is? Nathan |
| 008 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Wishing Horse | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Wishing Horse Ruth: >Steve comments that Skamperoo is not wicked. He does have >his wicked moments in his willingness to steal emeralds and to get rid of >inconvenient people by exile/permanent coma. Skamperoo defends his theft of the emeralds by pointing out that he is King, and can do what he wants. He does, however, allow Matiah to live in the castle, rather than simply locking him up in prison, as a more traditional villain (Irasha of Rash, for instance)might have done to someone with a grudge like Matiah's. Note that Pinny Penny starts out by supporting Matiah's claim that Skamperoo owes him a home and a living, but later, suspecting the merchant's treachery and learning that he is "not so poor as he pretends," suggests that Skamperoo throw him out. >His avoidance of outright >killing might be considered a point of virtue, but it's so hard to kill >Ozites anyhow, that it's not clear if this moderation is the result of any >goodness in him. We really don't know how much power the emeralds have, anyway. The text seems to suggest that they can grant ANY wish, but they must have some limitations. No one ever tries to use them to destroy anyone, so whether they have that power remains a mystery. Similarly, if Skamperoo simply wished to be recognized by all Ozites as their rightful ruler, would there really have been any need to remove Ozma and the other royal families? Removing these people was Matiah's idea, and he did not know how to work the emeralds, but perhaps he guessed that they might have their limits, and so came up with the other ideas in case they were not quite powerful enough to accomplish the simple wish. It was probably also Matiah's idea to imprison the Ozites in Thunder Mountain. Skamperoo seems rather poorly versed in geography, and had probably never heard of this mountain. Note that Pigasus seems to have heard of it (he knows it has "thunder bolts," for instance), but does not know where it is located. Gloma identifies the emeralds as being "green magic." This is appropriate for green gems, but the fact that they work in Skampavia seems to contradict Mombi's statement in LOST KING that green magic only works in the Emerald City territory. My guess is that green magic just has to ORIGINATE in that area (or possibly another "center" of green magic, if any others exist). There is really no reason to believe that Wam was NOT in the green area when he made and enchanted the necklaces. Chalk knows that Skamperoo brought him into existence, but also that he comes from Oz. If his existence really began in Skampavia, there is no way he could be "from Oz." Perhaps he was an Ozian horse whose memories of Oz were erased when he was summoned by magic (a similarity could be made here with Nox the Ox, who remembers living in a blue forest before coming to Keretaria, but his memory is cloudy on this point), or any animal brought into existence by Ozian wishing necklaces considers itself to be an Ozian animal, even if it has never actually been to the fairyland. >But certainly he lacks the vengeful temper of Mombi or >Ruggedo, and his growth by the end of the story to be able to find >happiness >in his own back yard seems plausible. Skamperoo has some similarities to Ruggedo, including his figure, his tantrums, his tendency to throw his sceptre at his chief servant, his love of jewels, and, of course, his ambition to conquer Oz. The King of Skampavia is much more sympathetic than the Nome King, however. >A possible explanation for why the >Soldier's green whiskers turn red (and alert Dorothy to take her >precautious >wish) -- maybe RPT was assuming that the reason his whiskers are green must >be magical, and that the magic producing his green whiskers might react to >magical attack to produce this effect, even though the explanations of how >he came by that magic and just how it works are not given. Perhaps, although there are other characters in Thompson's Oz books with oddly-colored hair (Grand Duke Hoochafoo and his purple beard, for instance), with no indication that this hair is magical, or even unusual in Oz. Nathan |
| 009 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE comeuppance | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 10:38 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE comeuppance Stephen Teller wrote: <<Skamperoo is not your typical Oz villain; he is hedonistic, lazy, discontented and envious--but he is not evil or wicked. He has no intention of harming his victims or his new subjects. He is also one of the few characters in Thompson who actually show growth (Tandy in CAPTAIN SALT is another). Finally neither he not anyone else is punished at the end of the book, no "drop of water at the bottom of the Nonestic Ocean" washing out, or transformations into cacti or seabirds or other things.>> Pigasus tries to turn Chalk and Skamperoo into clams, a wish Dorothy instinctively opposes [268]. As you say, the book's two main villains not only continue to enjoy their own bodies, but even come out ahead with a more prosperous kingdom and eternal friendship [297]. For many of her villains, Thompson has Ozma or someone else punish them with transformation, captivity, or near destruction. Only a few so far are allowed to remain not only intact but actually on their thrones: Mustafa, the Sultan of Samandra, and Skamperoo. What distinguishes this group from the unlucky majority (J. Glegg, Irashi, Gorba, the pirates, etc.)? Thompson hints that each of the exceptional three is more childish than evil (Skamperoo is "like a big bad baby" [29]). But their actions, objectively measured, seem just as bad. How does Skamperoo taking over Oz differ from Mooj taking over Seebania? I think the three exceptional villains earn their lenient desserts because they: 1) are already kings. 2) don't try to marry any princesses by force or stealth. In Thompson's plots, it seems, a commoner or lesser noble usurping a king's place and/or forcing himself on a princess becomes guilty of a "capital" crime. Unlike Baum, she rarely deposes an established ruler, no matter how much he's oppressed his people or preyed on neighbors. It's notable that Thompson has Gloma state, "I ruled by royal right and inheritance" [175]. She's not the foresters' queen because she's wise, caring, and protective; she's their ruler by accident of birth, and--lucky for them--happens to be wise, caring, and protective. Whatever his faults and misdeeds, Skamperoo still has a hereditary claim on the throne of Skampavia. As for Matiah, third-place villain in WISHING HORSE, Ozma seems to decide that he was wronged, or at least that he shouldn't suffer worse than his king. His kidnapping and torture of Iva [253] seem not only to be forgiven, but to be completely overlooked. (I wonder if this episode might have been worse for the kitchen boy than Thompson lets on. She tells us Matiah spent his first day in the palace basement making wishes while he wore the necklaces, but he's known since page 63 that someone else must be wearing them. Iva might thus have suffered much more than a "miserable morning" under Matiah's control [254]. And he gets no comfort from his ruler or Dorothy [268].) Rather than punish Matiah, Ozma merely wishes him back to Skampavia with no memory of the emerald necklaces [288]. He no longer has any property there [38], but he might try to rebuild his trading business. We have to wonder, however, what Skamperoo, Chalk, and Pinny Penny will do when they see their old rival again. They don't know of Matiah's amnesia, and have every reason to distrust him. Ozma does punish one creature for his actions in WISHING HORSE, though he's done no wrong to her or anyone else that we see. Matiah "bribed a red eagle with the promise of three wishes" to carry him to Oz [251]. After Bitty Bit speaks of the giant bird's "exceedingly fierce look in his eye," Ozma turns the eagle into "a harmless sparrow" [288]. Neill provides quite a scary picture of this eagle in star-spangled overalls [252], but we never see him do anything that deserves transformation. Thus, Iva and the eagle come out of the book worse than how they started without having done anything to deserve those fates. Matiah is a little worse off. Skamperoo is much better off despite being selfish and grasping, but we're supposed to be happy about that because he's going to rule his kingdom more wisely. Wouldn't leaving Skampavia in the hands of Pinny Penny be just as good? Not in Thompson's world. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 010 [Return to index] | Subject: princesses | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Tue Apr 2, 2002 10:38 pm Subject: princesses Dave Hardenbrook wrote: <<JLB> There are hints of a few more untold stories in this parade: JLB> * Trot and Betsy are "Princesses in their own right" as well as Dorothy JLB> [86]. Is Thompson referring to their honors from Rash, Sky Island, and the JLB> Ozure Isles? Or might she mean they were all princesses of Oz by this time? It's funny how as a kid I always took Betsy and Trot's "Oz Princess" status for granted, even though Baum never gives any indication of this, and I had no access to Thompson's books.>> I bet you were trying to make sure none of the little girls feel left out. As the Dodo says in ALICE IN WONDERLAND, "All must have prizes." Because Dorothy performs much more significant service to Oz as a whole and to Ozma's court than Betsy and Trot, her having a unique title never bothered me. And she's not the type to lord (lady?) it over her friends. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 011 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE coincidences | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 9:17 am Subject: WISHING HORSE coincidences Stephen Teller wrote: <<I do have one problem with this book. Everything else gets explained, but Why do the Soldier with the Green Whiskers' whiskers suddenly turn red? It is necessary so that Dorothy can take the wishing pill, but no reason is ever given.>> This is one of three amazing coincidences that come early in WISHING HORSE, and on which the whole plot rests. 1) Skamperoo and Matiah just happen to be doing the right things at the right time to make the magic emeralds conjure up Chalk [44]. But if the key to the necklaces' power is that "On the sixth count, you wink both eyes" [290] and people blink many times a minute automatically, why aren't casual wishes coming true all the time? 2) Chalk knows the secret of the necklaces naturally because they created him [78]. This rule doesn't seem to pertain to any other creature brought into existence or brought to life through a particular form of magic in the Oz books. In addition, while Chalk instinctively knows he's "from Oz" [47], he "knew little of Oz" [212]. 3) The Soldier's "sacred beard" turns red in time for Dorothy to take the wishing pill [109]. This hints at some deeper order of magic protecting Oz, which we never hear of before or since. Dorothy's wish--"Whatever happens, help me to save Ozma and Oz" [113]--seems like an odd response from her, and unconventionally phrased to boot. But I guess it works. On the other hand, the resolution of the WISHING HORSE plot doesn't depend on coincidences the way many other Oz books do. Iva the kitchen boy brings the emerald necklaces into the Wizard's lab at a significant moment [267], but he's just gotten free from Matiah because of Dorothy's blacking powder [287], so that's actually a neat plot twist. And when a book ends more tightly than it begins, coincidences are a lot easier to forgive. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 012 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE and powers | From: tyler.jones at a... |
From: tyler.jones at a... Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 11:03 am Subject: WISHING HORSE and powers > We really don't know how much power the emeralds have, anyway. > The text seems to suggest that they can grant ANY wish, but > they must have some limitations. The same can pretty much be said of all wishing magic, at least in the Oz series. Every item that grants wishes appears to have unlimited powers, but it's reasonable to assume that they're only as strong as the magic-worker who made them, so that not only should they have limits, but it's possible that some wishes are stronger than others. As for the changing of the beard color on Omby Amby, which alterted Dorothy to take the pill, the only thing I can think of is that the wish was stretched thin by the need to alter the minds of nearly half a million people, so that some "glitches" were bound to occur. Tyler Jones |
| 013 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Wishing Horse, markets, Easter Bunny | From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at m...> |
From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at m...> Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 2:07 pm Subject: Re: Wishing Horse, markets, Easter Bunny "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> suggested " Maybe she means [Zixi is] "little" in the sense of "young," rather than physically small.< It would be a nice explanation, but with meaning of "young" for "little" listed in the dictionary (a Webster's Collegiate is the one I have to hand), it seems too Humptydumptyish an approach to be valid. >That [Noland as an unpopulated desert, with no mention of King Bud] bothered me as well. My guess would be that, when trying to find a location for her new country, Thompson looked at the map, and, forgetting that Noland was the setting for most of QUEEN ZIXI, considered it from its name to be a sort of "no-man's land." < Probably so, but it's at least possible that she meant that the part of Noland bordering on Skampavia was unpopulated desert, rather than that all of Noland was a desert. (I don't have my copy here to check, but think that the contexts allow such a reading.) > King Ato and Roger [in CAPTAIN SALT] insist that they have not seen Samuel Salt since the end of PIRATES, yet they are clearly mentioned as attending the celebration in WISHING HORSE. One possible explanation that I thought of is that Ato, Roger, and the Captain left Oz during Skamperoo's short reign, and that this somehow confused them. < Maybe, but maybe we should imagine an unrecorded chunk of dialogue: "Well, we SAW him in Oz -- " "But you don't get a chance for a proper good talk in a crowd like that! THAT doesn't count." Nice set of points you made about various aspects, by the way. Ruth Berman |
| 014 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE reconciling Baum and Thompson | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...>
Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 3:13 pm
Subject: WISHING HORSE reconciling Baum and Thompson
Nathan DeHoff wrote:
<<Did the Frogman actually settle in the Emerald City? Maybe I am missing
something, but I do not recall there being any mention of this at the end
of LOST PRINCESS, and GLINDA refers to him as being a "guest of honor."
Why would he be considered a "guest" if he lived in the city? MAGIC says
that he "had come from the Yip country to be present at Ozma's birthday
feast.">>
The last mention of the amphibious one in LOST PRINCESS is ambiguous:
The Frogman speedily became a favorite at the
Emerald City and the Shaggy Man and Tik-Tok and
Jack Pumpkinhead, who had now returned from their
search, were very polite to the big frog and made
him feel quite at home.
Baum seems to have been leaving the door open for him to settle in the
capital permanently, as so many other Ozian grotesques have done.
The Frogman appears in the Emerald City in two of Baum's three books after
LOST PRINCESS, while the third has no significant scenes in that setting.
Therefore, I enjoy the impression that the Frogman, while still officially
resident among the Yips, is a guest who never leaves, happily finding new
reasons to extend his visit. ("A birthday party? Well, I must stay for
that.") And who would want to go back to being a big frog in a small pond
after he's seen the Emerald City?
Baum actually implies something similar about the Cookie Cook:
Cayke's mission was now successfully accomplished,
but she was having such a good time at the Emerald
City that she seemed in no hurry to go back to the
Country of the Yips.
In any event, if the Frogman travels to the Emerald City for Ozma's
birthday party in MAGIC, which is a private affair, he'd probably have been
invited to the large, public celebration in WISHING HORSE--had Thompson
ever cared to mention him.
<<If it's been 50 years since the Wizard arrived in
>Oz, for instance, that would mean there were about 15 years between his
>arrival and Dorothy's.
That would hardly be enough time for the Wizard to grow from a "young man"
to a "very old man," would it? Perhaps it is more likely that WISHING HORSE
takes place at the thirty-fifth anniversary of Dorothy's arrival.>>
Our culture doesn't make a big deal about 35th anniversaries, however. We
celebrate quarter-centuries and a few anniversaries that seem significant
because of the human lifespan (40th, 60th). Since Oz is a land of
immortality, those latter don't apply.
As I recall, some people seem to doubt what the Wizard says about how much
he's aged in the Emerald City because of how late Omaha was founded. But
the whole period is shrouded in mystery. My suggestion was just one way of
possibly making the numbers add up.
Nathan DeHoff wrote:
<<>She refers to "Zixie [sic] the little queen," who appears in ROAD
>and her own book as a tall woman [22]
Maybe she means "little" in the sense of "young," rather than physically
small.>>
Though Zixi appears young, according to the Wizard in ROAD is "thousands of
years" old. That's such a central detail of her character in ZIXI that
Thompson must have been stumbling in the dark to characterize her as "the
little queen." I think it's easier to treat this and her description of
Noland as mistakes rather than seek a way to reconcile her statements with
what Baum tells us.
<<>and Noland as an unpopulated desert, with no
>mention of King Bud [20, 22].
That bothered me as well. My guess would be that, when trying to find a
location for her new country, Thompson looked at the map, and, forgetting
that Noland was the setting for most of QUEEN ZIXI, considered it from its
name to be a sort of "no-man's land.">>
I think so, too.
Thompson does seem to have reviewed WIZARD before writing WISHING HORSE, to
judge by the importance she places on Dorothy's witch-killing history and
the Good Witch of the North's kiss in chapters 10 and 11.
Interestingly, when Dorothy explains this kiss, she makes no mention of how
it came from an enchanted queen who's now among the missing royals.
Thompson also has Dorothy avoid referring to the Wicked Witch of the West
as such because this book puts the Winkies in the east. One last notable
ripple from Baum is that Dorothy is explicit and apparently unrepentent
about what motivated her to throw water at the Wicked Witch: "I got SO mad"
[167].
J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c...
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| 015 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE ethic | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Wed Apr 3, 2002 4:59 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE ethic Stephen Teller wrote: <<2. Chalk is able to defend his actions to Dorothy as an example of loyalty. Why should his loyalty to Skamperoo be less admirable than Dorothy's to Ozma? 3. The scene with Gloma is very instructive for Dorothy. Here is a witch who is afraid of Dorothy because of her reputation as a witch destroyer (and considering her tradtment of Notta it seems justified). Gloma may seem like a villain for a time, but she is acting in self-defence.>> Among Oz books, WISHING HORSE is unusual not just in how it presents Dorothy's main antagonists (Skamperoo, Chalk, Gloma, Kaliko) with some sympathy, but also in how it shows her engaging in deceit and strategy. We might think of this as almost the first spy novel in the Oz series, as Dorothy undertakes a secret mission to save her country. And spy novels often have murky moral underpinnings. Early on, Pigasus warns, "Remember, we must be very careful. No questions about Ozma. . . . We must pretend that we've forgotten, too" [128]. In short, Dorothy must learn to dissemble, not to be direct. She also sneaks into Ozma's sitting room and the Wizard's laboratory to take their magic, only to discover the usurpers have anticipated them [129]. Later the pair force themselves to listen quietly to a lot of false memories about emperor Skamperoo from a Winkie [142]. Realizing that in the Black Forest she's considered a witch, Dorothy makes threats about transforming people [163]; in most Oz books Dorothy is honest to a fault, but to restore Ozma to her throne she's ready to bluster. Dorothy is also ready to make tough alliances. When Pigasus suggests visiting some countries outside Oz (all from one swath on the TIK-TOK map), Dorothy focuses on the most powerful. She puts off Pigasus's suggestion of Ev [144] in favor of visiting Kaliko the Nome King, who has magic [143] and a "hundred thousand trained Gnomen Yoemen [sic]" [194]. Dorothy thinks she and Ozma helped put Kaliko on his throne [141], which doesn't reflect the events in TIK-TOK, but privately Kaliko agrees that Dorothy taking the Magic Belt from Roquat "was the means of my becoming King" [194]. Dorothy seems to believe that this unpaid favor and her charm will win over Kaliko. She seats herself "coaxingly on the arm" of his throne [197], a gesture she also performs with Gloma [176] and Glinda [282]. Dorothy then tells Kaliko all about Oz's new king, revealing how weak her hand is. Obviously, Dorothy has more to learn about sizing up potential allies. We might see this back when she takes a Winkie to be "a person of some importance," based seemingly on height and gait, and there's no confirmation she's right [138]. This man, to her disappointment, remembers nothing about Ozma or the Tin Woodman. Thompson makes us privy to Kaliko's real thoughts through his discussions with his new chamberlain. Shoofenwaller asks, "Why not use a little strategy in this conference, King? Why not pretend to help her and at the same time safeguard your own interests?" [194] That's what Dorothy's been learning to do, but Kaliko has had years of experience. Soon after learning about Skamperoo, the Nome King is sure Oz's new ruler will be less concerned than Ozma with the diplomatic issue we now call human rights. Kaliko even seems to be looking ahead to not having to worry about "the rights of smaller Kingdoms" [203]. Thus, while Dorothy is pleased with Kaliko's promise of his army if she finds another ally first, we know that's just a delaying action [197]. All she really gets are the dangerous location where Ozma and her fellow rulers have been stashed and Potaroo's stumbling-blocks, which turn out not to be useful in Oz. Thompson emphasizes this diplomatic deceit with a bit of racism, comparing Kaliko and Shoofenwaller to "two little China mandarins" [203]. Given Dorothy's naivete when it comes to power politics, she's very lucky to bump into Bitty Bit. His great power is, after all, perception. Symbolically, it's also relevant that the rescuers gain the upper hand in Ozma's palace through the powder of darkness: in this book, concealment is power. Dorothy's plans are still "rather vague, but Bitty Bit knew just what he hoped and intended to do" [259]. He reaches a bargain with Chalk for negotiations [260]. He shows that he knows Skamperoo's weakness and threatens "WAR!"--knowing that projecting "firm confidence" is crucial in such diplomacy [264]. Chalk, however, is expert in this sort of realpolitik. Back in his first conversation with Skamperoo, he showed how he could figure out Matiah's bluff [73]. When the emerald necklaces disappear, he insists that he and the king must behave normally [247]. Chalk bargains and bluffs "firmly but pleasantly" with these intruders, rendering Bitty Bit "rather crestfallen" by not surrendering [264-5]. The talks reach a stalemate. After Pigasus secures the magic necklaces, Chalk continues to talk as confidently as ever, but he also starts his endgame. He probably realizes he has much less chance of recovering those necklaces now, and Bitty Bit might eventually see their secret. "We'll just be trotting along," Chalk says [269]. Dorothy is indignant, but Bitty Bit acknowledges that the horse still holds some powerful cards--knowledge of how to work the necklaces, plus all Ozians' loyalty. He therefore agrees to quite generous surrender terms [271]. Even then, Chalk has another trick up his saddlebags. Given two wishes, Chalk does what every eight-year-old can recognize as a cheat: he wishes for more wishes [272--in David Hulan's GLASS CAT, I recall, a genie specifically rules out this possibility]. But, as Bitty Bit foresees, Chalk doesn't take advantage of those two wishes to send Dorothy, Pigasus, and Bitty Bit to the bottom of Lightning Lake. Instead, he sticks to the spirit of his settlement as well as the letter, securing a safe retreat for him and Skamperoo back to Skampavia. The overall ethic of WISHING HORSE seems to be a relativism rare in Thompson's Oz. When Dorothy calls Chalk "the horridest horse I've ever known!" [269] , he replies: "Well, that's all in the way you look at me. . . . You, my dear, are fond of your Mistress, Queen Ozma of Oz, and are trying to help her. I, on my part, am exceedingly fond of my Master, the King of Skampavia, and am trying to help him. You can't blame me for that, you know." [270] Dorothy herself voiced a similar sentiment in forgiving Gloma: "You thought we were going to destroy you, so, of course, you tried to destroy us. That was fair enough and I don't blame you" [174]. Skamperoo, Matiah, and Twobyfour were all trying to cheat each other in the same way. Indeed, WISHING HORSE's main message seems to be that most people act in their self-interest, and therefore shouldn't be blamed for that. While people's sense of self-interest can expand when they make close friends [70, 206], Thompson fills little space showing people who adhere to a higher ethos; Ozma, Glinda, and the Tin Woodman are all far away. Indeed, Thompson shows appeals to other people's sense of goodness as having limited value, and loyalty as malleable. That leaves a bittersweet edge to the final chapter which, unlike in most Oz books, is set not only in another country but in the antagonist's country. We're supposed to be happy to see Skamperoo and Chalk reform, but do their changes signal anything different about the power of self-interest? Thompson shows Pinny Penny's legal reforms as bringing greater rewards than before [292]. Skamperoo's experience in Oz has made him capable, with "a great effort," of one "really great and wise decision" [295], but it takes magic to make Skamperoo permanently "wise and generous" [296-7]. Except for Ozma and a few other rare rulers, it appears, being wise and generous is unnatural. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 016 [Return to index] | Subject: The Soldier's Beard | From: David Hulan <davidhulan at n...> |
From: David Hulan <davidhulan at n...> Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:31 am Subject: The Soldier's Beard A possibility - never stated, but not implausible - for the reddening of the Soldier's beard might be that it was, in fact, a direct wish of Skamperoo/Chalk's. Take a look at the consequence - Ozma, the Wizard, Jinnicky, and the rulers of the four quadrants of Oz all left the banquet to retire to Ozma's throne room for a conference. As a result, instead of their disappearing right in front of all the assembled guests, they're replaced in the throne room by Skamperoo and Chalk, who then return to a banquet full of Ozites who think they're the rightful rulers. Possibly that latter spell would have been less effective if the true rulers had been replaced right in front of everyone. I don't know that that's what Thompson had in mind, but it makes a certain amount of sense. |
| 017 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: WISHING HORSE coincidences | From: "atticus242" <atty993 at a...> |
From: "atticus242" <atty993 at a...> Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 11:44 am Subject: Re: WISHING HORSE coincidences --- In Nonestica at y..., "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> wrote: > This is one of three amazing coincidences that come early in WISHING HORSE, > and on which the whole plot rests. > > 1) Skamperoo and Matiah just happen to be doing the right things at the > right time to make the magic emeralds conjure up Chalk [44]. But if the key > to the necklaces' power is that "On the sixth count, you wink both eyes" > [290] and people blink many times a minute automatically, why aren't casual > wishes coming true all the time? I think this is a question of semantics. A "wink" is deliberate and more pronounced, unlike the involuntary and subtler "blink." Skamperoo had his eyes deliberately closed when Chalk appeared. > 3) The Soldier's "sacred beard" turns red in time for Dorothy to take the > wishing pill [109]. This hints at some deeper order of magic protecting Oz, > which we never hear of before or since. Dorothy's wish--"Whatever happens, > help me to save Ozma and Oz" [113]--seems like an odd response from her, > and unconventionally phrased to boot. But I guess it works. Since the changing of the beard is an incident that basically affects only Dorothy _directly_, I attribute it to the Good Witch's kiss, which later helps her against Gloma. Atticus |
| 018 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE and powers | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Thu Apr 4, 2002 12:46 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE and powers Tyler Jones wrote: <<The same can pretty much be said of all wishing magic, at least in the Oz series. Every item that grants wishes appears to have unlimited powers, but it's reasonable to assume that they're only as strong as the magic-worker who made them, so that not only should they have limits, but it's possible that some wishes are stronger than others.>> When he learns how Dorothy used one of his wishing pills, the Wizard says proudly, "I'll match my wishing powers with any wishing powers in the country!" [280]. That indeed implies that there can be various levels of power behind a wish. So does the Magic Belt's limitation in LOST PRINCESS of granting only one wish of unlimited power per day. In the battle of wishes in WISHING HORSE, however, Skamperoo's and Dorothy's wishes are quite different in scope. Skamperoo wants to instill false memories in an entire population. Dorothy's wish simply allows her to keep her own wits. If the Wizard's wishing pills were truly as strong as the necklaces, they could grant wishes as far-ranging as what the necklaces provide, and I don't think we ever see them do that. They usually work on the person who takes them, and perhaps a few others nearby. Also, I'm not convinced that the power of a wish-granting device depends on the magic-worker who created it. In the real world, the power of a machine doesn't depend on the strength of its inventor, nor the value of an insight on how well its formulator exemplifies it. (In the latest NEW YORKER, Adam Gopnik writes about this in regard to Karl Popper, suggesting that philosophers may actually describe human nature in ways that make up for what they lack in real life.) Bini Aru, for instance, comes up with *pyrzqxgl*, an extremely powerful charm. MAGIC says he was a "clever Sorcerer," but there's no indication he was one of the most powerful magic-workers ever to live in Oz. Similarly, Dr. Pipt's potions are very strong, but the rest of his life indicates limited powers. People might create magical devices by finding ways for them to channel natural magic, and the power of the device would depend on how efficiently the inventor could harness that ambient power. <<As for the changing of the beard color on Omby Amby, which alterted Dorothy to take the pill, the only thing I can think of is that the wish was stretched thin by the need to alter the minds of nearly half a million people, so that some "glitches" were bound to occur.>> This reading seems to imply that Skamperoo's wish was itself the cause of the Soldier's follicle change, but the magic necklaces seem to grant wishes instantaneously. There has to be some time lag between the beard changing color and Skamperoo's arrival as emperor for Dorothy to take her pill. That leads me to think the beard change had to be the result of some unknown magical force sensing a threat to Oz, rather than a side effect of Skamperoo's own wish. But since the beard change is never explained, not even by Ozma, we really can't tell. Had Skamperoo known more about Oz, he'd have realized there was no need to remove Omby Amby along with Ozma's other supporters. The Soldier with the Green Whiskers has served three rulers of the Emerald City with no more or less loyalty, and would no doubt have been just as amenable to magical brainwashing as nearly everyone else in Oz. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 019 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE comeuppance | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 11:09 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE comeuppance J. L. Bell: >Rather than punish Matiah, Ozma merely wishes him back to Skampavia with no >memory of the emerald necklaces [288]. He no longer has any property there >[38], but he might try to rebuild his trading business. We have to wonder, >however, what Skamperoo, Chalk, and Pinny Penny will do when they see their >old rival again. They don't know of Matiah's amnesia, and have every reason >to distrust him. This is all true, which seems to suggest that Ozma should have thought out his punishment more carefully. Besides, Ozma should know from her experiences with Ruggedo that magically-produced amnesia is not always effective. Nathan |
| 020 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Re: Wishing Horse | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 11:20 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] Re: Wishing Horse Ruth: > >That [Noland as an unpopulated desert, with no mention of King Bud] >bothered me as well. My guess would be that, when trying to find a >location for her new country, Thompson looked at the map, and, forgetting >that Noland was the setting for most of QUEEN ZIXI, considered it from its >name to be a sort of "no-man's land." < > >Probably so, but it's at least possible that she meant that the part of >Noland bordering on Skampavia was unpopulated desert, rather than that all >of Noland was a desert. (I don't have my copy here to check, but think that >the contexts allow such a reading.) That would probably be the best way to reconcile the book with what we already know of Noland, and it seems to be what Haff and Martin were thinking when they placed Skampavia in the southeastern corner of Noland (meaning that, in their interpretation, it does NOT directly border on Ix). In the actual text of WISHING HORSE (pp. 22-23), however, Thompson writes: "To the north there was nothing but a sandy strip of desert and the tossing waters of the Nonestic Ocean. East lay the Kingdom of Ix, and Zixie [sic] the little Queen he considered too pleasant and friendly to conquer. Besides, the climate of Ix was not that much better than that of his own country. To the west of Skampavia was Merryland...To the south lay the burning sands of the Deadly Desert, which no man in his own Kingdom had ever succeeded in crossing." The next paragraph says that Skamperoo had "exhausted all the possibilities in his immediate neighborhood." He does not consider Bud's Kingdom of Noland to be a possibility, and the fact that Skampavia's nearest neighbors are Ix, Merryland, the Deadly Desert, and "a sandy strip of desert" to the north suggests that Thompson had forgotten all about it. Note that Skamperoo does not want to conquer Zixi because she is "too pleasant and friendly," rather than because of her known magical powers and her country's military might. Nathan |
| 021 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE Nomes | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 11:29 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE Nomes J. L. Bell: >Soon after learning >about Skamperoo, the Nome King is sure Oz's new ruler will be less >concerned than Ozma with the diplomatic issue we now call human rights. >Kaliko even seems to be looking ahead to not having to worry about "the >rights of smaller Kingdoms" [203]. This might possibly be a reference to Dorothy's rescue (with Ozma's blessing) of the King and Queen of Pingaree in RINKITINK. I can't think of any instance in the Oz books when Ozma involved Kaliko in a war, however. Speaking of Nomes, Dorothy mentions (p. 143) that "Ruggedo who was King before Kaliko had many magic treasures and powers. He could make floors and walls spin round and round, open yawning caverns at your feet or drop rocks down on your head without even moving." Doesn't Kaliko himself demonstrate knowledge of these powers in RINKITINK? Not if you consider the King in RINKITINK to actually be Ruggedo (as I know J. L. does), but the aforementioned reference to Pingaree suggests that this is not the interpretation that Thompson had in mind. I think it is likely, however, that, even if Kaliko was the Nome King during RINKITINK, most of the magic tricks he used were ones left behind by Ruggedo, rather than ones he developed himself. Pigasus' comparison of Nomes to eggs is a clever bit of irony (if that's the correct term). Nathan |
| 022 [Return to index] | Subject: The Soldier's Beard | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 11:42 am Subject: The Soldier's Beard David Hulan wrote: <<A possibility - never stated, but not implausible - for the reddening of the Soldier's beard might be that it was, in fact, a direct wish of Skamperoo/Chalk's. Take a look at the consequence - Ozma, the Wizard, Jinnicky, and the rulers of the four quadrants of Oz all left the banquet to retire to Ozma's throne room for a conference. As a result, instead of their disappearing right in front of all the assembled guests, they're replaced in the throne room by Skamperoo and Chalk, who then return to a banquet full of Ozites who think they're the rightful rulers. Possibly that latter spell would have been less effective if the true rulers had been replaced right in front of everyone.>> Logically ingenious, but the text doesn't make much room for this interpretation. Only the Wizard and Jinnicky follow the Soldier with the Formerly Green Whiskers out of the throne room. "Ozma, looking rather troubled, again took her place and motioned for the others to do the same" [111]. The Tin Woodman, Glinda, the Munchkin and Gillikin rulers, and Ozma all seem to vanish from their seats, right in the middle of the crowd [114-6]. No one but Dorothy notices--not even Corum and Pompadore, who are seated on either side of the "great dragon armed chair of state" at the empty head of the table [116]. (That chair belongs to Skamperoo in the new Ozian order. Everyone but Dorothy presumably must believe that all the other empty seats never held people--even those seats with half-eaten meals in front of them. Hmmmm.) Dorothy does first think that Nick "is probably helping the Wizard" [114]. Oddly, however, she doesn't have that same thought for Glinda, who'd be more likely to help out in a magical crisis. Did Chalk or the necklaces themselves really create the beard incident to provide the Ozians with a way to explain away the sudden disappearances in the backs of the minds? If so, it completely backfired. Without the Soldier's beard changing color, Dorothy wouldn't have made her counteracting wish. Atticus Gannaway wrote: <<Since the changing of the beard is an incident that basically affects only Dorothy _directly_, I attribute it to the Good Witch's kiss, which later helps her against Gloma.>> Again ingenious, going in the opposite direction from David Hulan's idea. He emphasizes how the beard changing color provoked a direct response from not only the Soldier, but also the Wizard and Jinn. And if the Scarecrow didn't voice such a dire interpretation of that event [111], Dorothy wouldn't have taken the wishing pill. We do have to wonder if the Good Witch's kiss would have kept Dorothy from being brainwashed (brainwished?) even without the Wizard's pill. But since Skamperoo's wish is less harmful than some other fates Dorothy does suffer--being transformed in MAGIC, for instance--the kiss may offer quite limited protection. Its power may, for instance, last only against the spells of Winkie witches. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 023 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] The Soldier's Beard | From: KHarmonyarts at a... |
From: KHarmonyarts at a... Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [Nonestica] The Soldier's Beard In a message dated 4/5/2002 5:17:01 PM Central Standard Time, JnoLBell at compuserve.com writes: We do have to wonder if the Good Witch's kiss would have kept Dorothy from being brainwashed (brainwished?) even without the Wizard's pill. But since Skamperoo's wish is less harmful than some other fates Dorothy does suffer--being transformed in MAGIC, for instance--the kiss may offer quite limited protection. Its power may, for instance, last only against the spells of Winkie witches. In 'Wizard,' the Good Witch of the North states "...I will give you my kiss, and no one will dare injure a person who has been kissed by the Witch of the North." In 'Wizard,' the Flying Monkeys are afraid of the kiss on Dorothy's forehead, too. "We dare not harm this little girl," he said to them, "for she is protected by the Power of Good, and that is greater than the Power of Evil." Sounds like the kiss may protect Dorothy from being harmed by others with evil intent. Presumably the kiss does not protect our heroine from accidents. The WWW gets one of Dorothy's Silver Shoes by turning a metal bar invisible, and setting it down where Dorothy could trip over it. And it works. But Dorothy destroys the Witch shortly after, so even arranging an accident may have brought down instant vengeance on the WWW from the Powers of Good. Also, Dorothy gets a tooth knocked slightly loose from being thrown out of the sandboat in 'Road.' So the kiss does not protect her from accidents. Or presumably spells that don't injure her outright. Melody |
| 024 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE Skampavia | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Fri Apr 5, 2002 9:56 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE Skampavia The first thing we learn about Skampavia is that it's an "unprofitable and barren" land [18]. Soon it becomes clear that the country is also low on magic, unlike other regions outside the Deadly Desert that Thompson describes. On hearing about Oz, Skamperoo complains that it's "one of those magic places where one just snaps the fingers to get what he wants" [33]. The two clear signs of an especially magical country in the Nonestic region seem to be talking animals and immortality. Skamperoo speaks of "my father's lifetime" [212], implying that Skampavians know death. Pinny Penny seems nostalgic when he recalls hearing about the Emerald City from his father [28]. Skamperoo, Matiah, and Pinny Penny are all surprised to hear Chalk talk [47, 56]. Skampavia is also a small country. Adding up the county tax collectors' territories on page 19, I get only 218 square miles as its total area. (As Nathan DeHoff noted, the usually reliable Pinny Penny says Oz is "about fifty times as large" as Skampavia [30]. That would make Oz around 11,000 square miles, or the equivalent of 88 miles by 125 miles.) The Skampavian army contains 4,900 fighting men [34], or about 22 per square mile. The best comparison I could find is Switzerland's military reserves in 1975, who came about 25 to the square mile. But, of course, Switzerland is a wealthy nation, and Skampavia a poor one. Even the tax collector Twobyfour wants to take his family to "some cooler and more comfortable country" [26]. Yet the king insists on taxing his people at a 33% tax rate [18], and the only good and services he appears to provide in return are weapons, uniforms, and military training at the "Royal College" [19]. (It's unclear what kind of school the king himself went to [21], but it doesn't seem to have done him any good.) When Pinny Penny takes over as regent, he reduces the tax rate to 5% and cuts back on the militia drilling time, both to good effect [292]. Thompson thus seems to be making a comment about both overtaxation and militaristic states. There were certainly a lot of militaristic states in the mid-1930s to inspire Thompson. And Neill's drawings of Skamperoo have long reminded me of contemporary caricatures of Mussolini, especially in the color plate opposite 276. The Italian fascist didn't actually order an invasion of any country until late 1935, after Neill had finished these pictures. Might that have meant Mussolini was still seen as a harmless buffoon earlier? Or is the resemblance just coincidence? I also wonder if Thompson was inspired a bit by Franklin Roosevelt. For a dedicated Republican, FDR's hold on the American people might have seemed as baffling and frustrating as Skamperoo's popularity among the Ozians. In that case, Thompson's portrayal of Skampavia as a country with a farming crisis and overly high taxes could be a comment on New Deal America. Certainly Thompson presents the key to economic success in the language of a 1920s Republican, coming from Pinny Penny. According to the dour prime minister, Skampavia is "not so unfortunate and poor as we are unwise and greedy" [29]. Ozma has made her land rich "by encouraging thrift and rewarding industry" [31--a marked contrast to Baum's EMERALD CITY portrayal of a fairyland where the ruler owns ALL goods, not just a third, and makes them available according to need]. We also have to read Matiah's complaints about losing his livelihood against the backdrop of the Depression. Pinny Penny offers to find work for him, but the merchant refuses menial jobs in the palace. "I will start a war, an uprising--a revolution!" Matiah warns. Although the merchant has been unjustly deprived of his property, Thompson shows little sympathy for his plight--especially if he's going to talk like that and refuse work. Up until nearly the end of WISHING HORSE, Pinny Penny remains as skeptical of magic as he is of talking horses, turbaned merchants, and lazy people. He insists, "Any wish you work hard enough for will come true" [294]. Nevertheless, when offered the chance he makes a magical wish to change Skampavia's climate and soil to "mild and fertile" [297]. That seems to be Thompson's acknowledgment that a nation may show any amount of diligence, but only magic can change some bases of its economy. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 025 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE and powers | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:21 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE and powers J. L. Bell: >Had Skamperoo known more about Oz, he'd have realized there was no need to >remove Omby Amby along with Ozma's other supporters. The Soldier with the >Green Whiskers has served three rulers of the Emerald City with no more or >less loyalty, and would no doubt have been just as amenable to magical >brainwashing as nearly everyone else in Oz. When Skamperoo first hears that Omby Amby is Ozma's entire army, he says, "I never heard anything more ridiculous in my life (p. 33)," yet he still decides to remove him, presumably just to cover all his bases. I don't think Skamperoo specified that he wanted Omby Amby in particular to be banished to Thunder Mountain, just "Ozma's army." In fact, it seems likely that Skamperoo's wish named general categories, rather than specific individuals. Jinnicky ends up being enchanted with the others, but, even if Skamperoo (or Matiah) knew about Jinnicky, they would have no way of knowing that he was in Oz and trying to help the Ozites. The wish probably just mentioned "all licensed wizards" (assuming that Jinnicky had some kind of license at the time) or "the wizard in the Emerald City" (there would have been two there when Skamperoo made his wish). Why High Boy vanishes with the others is a bit of a mystery. Skamperoo certainly did not banish all royal pets, or Cheeriobed's dragon and Glinda's swans would most likely have been sent to Lightning Lake as well. One possibility I considered is that Joe King (possibly influenced by King Pompus and Kabumpo) made High Boy a Prince of the Gillikins. On the other hand, Trot, honorary Princess of the Munchkins, remains in Oz, even though Philador (Munchkin Prince by birth) disappears. Then again, Joe King and Queen Hyacinth seem to have no children, so maybe High Boy is their heir. We really have no way of knowing. A possibility someone on this list suggested is that Chalk purposely removed High Boy so that he would not have competition from another horse (the only other horse to have an Oz book named after him, up until MERRY GO ROUND). This is an interesting possibility, although how Chalk would have known that any of the quadrant rulers had horses at all, let alone a giant purple one who once helped to save the Ozure Isles, remains a mystery. Nathan |
| 026 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE Nomes | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Sat Apr 6, 2002 1:17 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE Nomes Nathan DeHoff wrote: <<>Soon after learning >about Skamperoo, the Nome King is sure Oz's new ruler will be less >concerned than Ozma with the diplomatic issue we now call human rights. >Kaliko even seems to be looking ahead to not having to worry about "the >rights of smaller Kingdoms" [203]. This might possibly be a reference to Dorothy's rescue (with Ozma's blessing) of the King and Queen of Pingaree in RINKITINK. I can't think of any instance in the Oz books when Ozma involved Kaliko in a war, however.>> I can imagine three explanations for Kaliko's statement, all based on the fact that we know about the Nomes almost entirely through reports from Oz, its often hostile neighbor. First is the likelihood that the Oz books don't mention every example of Oz pressuring the Nomes to do something. In both TIK-TOK and RINKITINK the Nome King(s) resent and fear interference from Ozma and/or Dorothy, implying there are incidents we've never read about. Perhaps for the Ozians those incidents weren't terribly adventurous, and therefore not good book material. Perhaps they wouldn't show Oz in a good light. But there are strong hints of unwritten history there. The second possibility is that the Nomes interpret the incidents we do know about differently from how Ozians, and thus we readers, see them. Consider, for instance, how the Nomes might look back on the arrival of the Shaggy Man, Tik-Tok, and Queen Ann Soforth's army in TIK-TOK. From such easily available sources as Baum's book, they'd learn or be confirmed in knowing that: a) All those invaders are from Oz (though they've picked up some camp followers from elsewhere). b) Two were quietly transported to the Nomes' region by Ozma, the rest by her close ally Glinda. c) The Shaggy Man is equipped with magical devices from the Emerald City. d) After they help overthrow the Nome King, they're all transported back to comfortable homes in Oz. From a suspicious Nome's point of view, that could well add up to looking like a covert operation by Oz, aimed at provoking Ruggedo into a response that brings a crushing blow from Tititi-Hoochoo. Similarly, think of HUNGRY TIGER, in which Kaliko is suddenly confronted with a ravenous jungle beast from the Emerald City. And in GNOME KING and PIRATES, Ruggedo, who has lived in Oz for years, pops up on Kaliko's doorstep, in one case demanding the crown back. From Kaliko's point of view, Oz may be trying to undermine his rule. The third factor is that WISHING HORSE is never clear about what sources Thompson uses to describe the Nomes' secret conversations. Kaliko clearly snookers Dorothy, so she wouldn't be a reliable source. If Thompson is merely filling in the blanks from such Ozian sources as the Great Book of Records, she may not report the Nome King's words as exactly as she reports Dorothy's. <<Speaking of Nomes, Dorothy mentions (p. 143) that "Ruggedo who was King before Kaliko had many magic treasures and powers. He could make floors and walls spin round and round, open yawning caverns at your feet or drop rocks down on your head without even moving." Doesn't Kaliko himself demonstrate knowledge of these powers in RINKITINK? Not if you consider the King in RINKITINK to actually be Ruggedo (as I know J. L. does), but the aforementioned reference to Pingaree suggests that this is not the interpretation that Thompson had in mind.>> I'd indeed noted this statement as a hint that Dorothy knew the Nome King who used those magical spells during the events that led to RINKITINK was Ruggedo, not Kaliko. As for whether there's an "aforementioned reference to Pingaree," I don't think that's certain. Kaliko complains that Ozma is "always involving me in wars, or demanding the rights of smaller Kingdoms" [203-4]. He seems to have multiple incidents in mind, and an ongoing pattern of behavior (at least in his eyes), rather than the one example we know about. The king in RINKITINK might indeed be using older magic from his predecessor. Nonetheless, Dorothy seems to be making a distinction between Ruggedo and Kaliko, who she knows "has a wizard" [143--Potaroo appeared in GNOME KING] and magic of his own. <<Pigasus' comparison of Nomes to eggs is a clever bit of irony (if that's the correct term).>> Yes, and since Kaliko thinks of ham when he sees Pigasus [191], they're obviously not going to become best pals. Pigasus does, however, offer a cheer for Kaliko when his wizard's stumbling blocks work [222]. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 027 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE Skampavia | From: "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne at a...> |
From: "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne at a...> Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 11:27 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE Skampavia "J. L. Bell" wrote: > There were certainly a lot of militaristic states in the mid-1930s to > inspire Thompson. And Neill's drawings of Skamperoo have long reminded me > of contemporary caricatures of Mussolini, especially in the color plate > opposite 276. The Italian fascist didn't actually order an invasion of any > country until late 1935, -- there was the earlier Fiume affair, generally identified with him, though he seems to have had little to do with it. > after Neill had finished these pictures. Might > that have meant Mussolini was still seen as a harmless buffoon earlier? In America, he was. -- John W. Kennedy Read the remains of Shakespeare's lost play, now annotated!http://pws.prserv.net/jwkennedy/Double%20Falshood.html |
| 028 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE kiss and spell | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE kiss and spell Melody Grandy wrote: <<> We do have to wonder if the Good Witch's kiss would have kept Dorothy from > being brainwashed (brainwished?) even without the Wizard's pill. But since > Skamperoo's wish is less harmful than some other fates Dorothy does > suffer--being transformed in MAGIC, for instance--the kiss may offer quite > limited protection. Its power may, for instance, last only against the > spells of Winkie witches. In 'Wizard,' the Good Witch of the North states "...I will give you my kiss, and no one will dare injure a person who has been kissed by the Witch of the North." In 'Wizard,' the Flying Monkeys are afraid of the kiss on Dorothy's forehead, too. "We dare not harm this little girl," he said to them, "for she is protected by the Power of Good, and that is greater than the Power of Evil." Sounds like the kiss may protect Dorothy from being harmed by others with evil intent. Presumably the kiss does not protect our heroine from accidents.>> I agree that the kiss appears to offer Dorothy little protection against accidents. At the same time, the evil intent of Kiki Aru in MAGIC and Mooj in OJO is clear, and they successfully transform Dorothy. If the kiss protects Dorothy just from being intentionally physically harmed, then it offers a limited defense for a traveler in a magical country. Even in WIZARD, the Good Witch's kiss comes into play only with the Winged Monkeys, then under the magical control of the Wicked Witch of the West. Some other characters see the mark, but it doesn't deter the Kalidahs, counteract the Poppies, or otherwise smooth Dorothy's way in that book. Then it disappears from the series until WISHING HORSE, when the kiss protects Dorothy from the spells of another witch in Winkie Country, and also turns out to protect pigs she happens to be squeezing. Another wrinkle in trying to understand this charm is that, while the Wicked Witch of the West is by definition wicked, both Dorothy and Thompson reject that label for Gloma. The black witch doesn't seem to be exercising "the Power of Evil"--yet the kiss thwarts her nonetheless. The Monkeys' understanding of the wish's moral underpinnings may be too stark. At the same time, Gloma seems to be trying only some of her spells: those intended to destroy Dorothy physically. She could probably send Dorothy far away since she later proves she can do such magic [184]. Had she chosen to transform Dorothy, the precedents imply that she could have succeeded. But she chose the spells to destroy Dorothy--not really confirmation of blameless intent. Gloma's spells are, incidentally, among the most visually striking and scary that Thompson ever described: "red hot sparks"; "a hundred, huge, hideous, black snakes [with] green glittering eyes lighting up the room"; "a shower of silver arrows"; and "a cloud of choking green smoke" [172]. The phosphorescent green eyes reappear later on the Dooners [220], so Thompson must have had them in her mind--perhaps in her nightmares. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 029 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE horses | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Sun Apr 7, 2002 5:06 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE horses Nathan DeHoff wrote: <<A possibility someone on this list suggested is that Chalk purposely removed High Boy so that he would not have competition from another horse (the only other horse to have an Oz book named after him, up until MERRY GO ROUND). This is an interesting possibility, although how Chalk would have known that any of the quadrant rulers had horses at all, let alone a giant purple one who once helped to save the Ozure Isles, remains a mystery.>> When the Hungry Tiger is planning the animals' part of the Great Celebration, he comments, "quite a lot of horses, aren't there?" [92] And indeed there are. Chalk dominates the book, from its front cover to its final chapter, of course. The first Ozian we see is High Boy [81--or, as it's spelled in this book, Highboy]. The parade includes Stampedro and Roganda [103]. Most surprisingly, "eight prancing black horses" pull the chariot of Ato, King of the Octagon Isles [103]; I don't recall any horses mentioned there in PIRATES. Dorothy tries to interrupt Hokus (who comes on a camel) and Pompadore (whose experience is really with riding elephants) during "a long, earnest argument about horses" [116]. Nearly every king or prince is interested in horses, Thompson seems to say. One of the strangest equine moments in WISHING HORSE is when "Chalk beat the Sawhorse in their long, exciting race through the park" [249]. A long race implies that the Sawhorse's untiring legs would be even more of an advantage. Perhaps because he's no longer Ozma's steed, the Sawhorse is not as dogged in winning races, or he's willing to lose one to the emperor's favorite. But the fact that the swift Sawhorse remains while High Boy is sent away adds to the overall mystery of Skamperoo's wish. And what exactly is a "wishing horse"? On page 294, in the final chapter, Thompson has Pinny Penny quote the old saying, "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride." But in that situation beggars did the wishing. And for most of the book, Skamperoo does the wishing. Chalk doesn't voice his own wishes until the confrontation with Bitty Bit, and then he makes the last wish of the book [272, 297]. Grammatically, that implies that a "wishing horse" is mostly the equivalent of a "riding horse"--the horse itself doesn't do that action, but its owner does the action on it. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 030 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE horses | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Mon Apr 8, 2002 12:46 am Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE horses J. L. Bell: >The parade includes Stampedro and Roganda [103]. Most >surprisingly, "eight prancing black horses" pull the chariot of Ato, King >of the Octagon Isles [103]; I don't recall any horses mentioned there in >PIRATES. Dorothy tries to interrupt Hokus (who comes on a camel) and >Pompadore (whose experience is really with riding elephants) during "a >long, earnest argument about horses" [116]. Nearly every king or prince is >interested in horses, Thompson seems to say. There is no clear indication that the "shabby but comfortable open coach" of Ragbad and the Silver Coach of Seebania are drawn by horses, but it seems likely. We don't see much of Seebania, but Ragbad, from what we see of it in GRAMPA, doesn't seem to have any horses, or other animals that could draw a coach. Perhaps they were imported from a nearby country that does have them. Nathan |
| 031 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE horses | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Tue Apr 9, 2002 1:30 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE horses Nathan DeHoff wrote: <<There is no clear indication that the "shabby but comfortable open coach" of Ragbad and the Silver Coach of Seebania are drawn by horses, but it seems likely.>> Yes, while reading Thompson's description of the procession in WISHING HORSE, I kept feeling we were supposed to infer some form of locomotion for all those floats. Jinnicky's jinrikisha presumably moves under its own power, as we see in other books, and Tik-Tok has a mechanical hand car. Ozma's shell is pulled by the Cowardly Lion and Hungry Tiger, and a couple of other mounts are named. But for the rest, on page 104 Thompson refers to "Royal Equipages," implying that horses were pulling every vehicle. Already, it seems, she was depicting Oz as old-fashioned compared to America, where parades were using horseless carriages. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 032 [Return to index] | Subject: wishing horse/equipages | From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at m...> |
From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at m...> Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 9:54 am Subject: wishing horse/equipages "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> wrote: > Nathan DeHoff wrote: <<There is no clear indication that the "shabby but comfortable open coach" of Ragbad and the Silver Coach of Seebania are drawn by horses, but it seems likely.>> > Ozma's shell is pulled by the Cowardly Lion and Hungry Tiger, and a couple of other mounts are named. But for the rest, on page 104 Thompson refers to "Royal Equipages," implying that horses were pulling every vehicle. < Likely enough -- but it wouldn't actually have to be specifically horses for all royal equipages. I have this picture in my head of a friendly Kalidah who promises faithfully not to eat any of the spectators if allowed to come be in the parade and pull a float and be cheered by all. For a Special Effect, maybe the Queen of the Mice could send a thousand or so mice to pull one, and the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman could show off their special skills in fast-order rolling of grass into strings and knot-tieing and mouse-harnessing. (Perhaps with little teeny mouse-collars for each, so's they can pull hard without getting choked.) Llamas, anyone? Ruth Berman |
| 033 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE Horses | From: David Hulan <davidhulan at n...> |
From: David Hulan <davidhulan at n...> Date: Wed Apr 10, 2002 11:19 am Subject: WISHING HORSE Horses J.L.: > Already, it seems, she was depicting Oz as old-fashioned compared to > America, where parades were using horseless carriages. But horses in parades were certainly common in America in 1935, though autos were also used. I think they're still not unusual, although I haven't been to a parade (aside from artificial ones like those at Disneyland) in a good many years. But in the early 1950s when I was in the high school band and participated in a good many parades, I can assure you that there were plenty of horses, both ridden and driven; one had to be quite wary of where one stepped because of that... :) |
| 034 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE horses | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Thu Apr 11, 2002 1:07 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE horses Ruth Berman wrote: <<I have this picture in my head of a friendly Kalidah who promises faithfully not to eat any of the spectators if allowed to come be in the parade and pull a float and be cheered by all.>> I wouldn't volunteer to march in front of that float. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 035 [Return to index] | Subject: wishing horse | From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at m...> |
From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at m...> Date: Mon Apr 15, 2002 10:47 am Subject: wishing horse In "Wishing Horse," unlike a bunch of the Oz books immediately preceding, NONE of the color plates are close duplicates of b&w illos. The closest one comes to duplicating is the color plate of Bitty Bit's tower, similar in its serpentine expansion to the version in the b&w illo. But the color plate shows Bitty Bit popping out the open skylight to greet Dorothy and Pigasus, and in the b&w they have all just vanished into the tower through the skylight. This is one of the books where few skies are blue. This plate has an orange sky, and some of the others are yellow or green -- makes an attractive change from the usual. Speaking as we were of types of parade locomotion, Neill has a nice portrait of the Wizard stepping along on his rubber sphere. (You'd think he'd be about to fall off, as shown, but perhaps there's a touch of magic involved. Or maybe one really good high backstep is about to be stepped.) Although none of the color plates duplicates a b&w shot, none of them shows an otherwise unpictured character. There's an otherwise unpictured place in the color plate of the disappeared VIPs asleep at the bottom of Thunder Lake. (Which, by the way, is an Unexplored Place, for those collecting them.) I happened to look up Lorna in the dictionary, and was interested to see that as a name (non-Ozianly speaking), it was apparently invented by the author of "Lorna Doone." Ruth Berman |
| 036 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE art | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 3:13 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE art According to David Greene's afterword for the Oz Club edition of WISHING HORSE, Neill was very late in supplying its pictures. He was supposed to deliver around the start of 1935 (which would have put him on the same schedule as for SPEEDY), but still hadn't finished by June. That's why this Oz book, alone of all those he illustrated, has no endpapers. Greene blames the haste of putting together WISHING HORSE for the upside-down drawing of the Scarecrow pole-vaulting [106] and some misspellings. But this is far from the first book in which Reilly & Lee let those mistakes go by. On the other hand, a late start might be responsible for what Thompson seems to have seen as disappointing sales: 5,700 copies in its first year. Does anyone who knows Neill's history have an explanation for the delay? Was he moving house at this time, facing an illness or family crisis, or perhaps overcommitted to other jobs? As in the previous few Oz books, it takes a number of pages at the start before Neill draws us a familiar face. Skamperoo and Chalk on the cover are new, and the king not terribly appealing (though to horse fans Chalk makes up for that). The frontmatter shows Matiah, Chalk, and Skamperoo and Chalk in the plate opposite the title page. Finally the copyright, dedication, and contents pages shows us old Oz friends: Pigasus, the Scarecrow, and Scraps. Neill's design for his illustrations is very simple, especially when compared to the chapter openers in SPEEDY. The chapter-opening drawings are framed by a sort of arch, but that's the only distinctive element. The drawings within chapters and the occasional full-page illustration are all standard sizes. frontispiece: Neill gives Skamperoo an unusual Modernist chair. Fortunately, the emperor has wished himself a good horseman by this point; the chair provides little support for his torso. 35: Neill did a good job here depicting some complex action that Thompson had described. In fact, I think Neill does well by Pinny Penny throughout the book, with a lot of emotion and character evident on pages 27 and 57. He wisely avoids showing the minister wearing Skamperoo's crown around his neck, as Thompson describes on page 212. 66: In contrast, Neill's portraits of Skamperoo seem quite changeable, from the feminized lips and eyelids on this page to funny, cartoon-like images as on page 69 to the just plain weird physiognomy on 74. 77: Neill mistakenly shows Skamperoo wearing the necklaces, when they must be on Chalk to work. Similarly, Neill puts the necklaces in Iva's hand [266] instead of his neck, as Thompson had described. 91: When Neill draws the "ten little kitchen boys" helping the Hungry Tiger with his shopping, they look more like seven dwarfs. They don't look anything like Iva, the single kitchen boy Thompson brings in later [250, 253]. 99: Neill draws these Emerald City houses with street numbers, perhaps for the first time. They reappear in WONDER CITY. 106: The Oz Club edition puts this picture in its proper orientation, with the Scarecrow's face upside-down. That makes it clearer to see that he's vaulting well above the level that the bar was built to reach--indeed an "all-time record." 119: This full-page sketch encapsulates the conflict of the book, with Dorothy shocked to find Skamperoo and Chalk on the throne. There's a nice use of light and dark and a more awkward use of foreground and background to symbolize the two sides' enmity. The body language is very good, expanding on Thompson's description [118-20]. And Neill even gets an important little detail right: Skamperoo wears Ozma's tall crown instead of his own battered one. 143: Alongside the various "slinky Ozma" images, here's one of Dorothy reclining that seems to depict her as a young adolescent as well. 147: This image of Dorothy and Pigasus in the dark is the first Oz book illustration I can remember that includes speech balloons. Neill was familiar with those from his newspaper cartooning days. Publishers today would want the text rendered separately from the artwork to make foreign-language editions easier, but Reilly & Lee obviously didn't worry about that. opp 196: The magic spyglass that Potaroo (or is that Shoofenwaller?) is looking through is reminiscent of the one Chinda the Seer and Speedy used in YELLOW KNIGHT. It may, however, be inspired by the one Kaliko uses in TIK-TOK; Thompson mentions the Long-Eared Hearer briefly, so she's done some boning up on the Nomes [189]. 200: Though Thompson refers to Potaroo's "straggly whiskers" [198], both here and in the previous color plate the Nome wizard is clean-shaven. Also, though Kaliko has posted a sign at his back door saying, "No dogs, babies, or chickens," Neill seems to draw a straggly dog in the Nome Kingdom. Perhaps her name is Whiskers. 229: Neill follows Thompson's lead by dressing Bitty Bit in a "robe rather like a monk's," but he cuts that robe short in order to get more mileage out of the seer's legs. Perhaps to compensate, Neill leaves off the "round cap with a yellow quill" [231] in favor of a monkish hood. 279: This is a nice picture of Dorothy on the Tin Woodman's lap, but it also makes me wonder, Isn't she in pain? And indeed, Thompson assures us she was "seating herself cautiously" on the tin man's leg [280] and "slid carefully" off. To test a new scanner/printer, I colorized this image (not with the emerald necklaces, though), and have posted the result in jpeg form in the Nonestic Photos section for anyone who wants it. 286: It's a bit hard to make out, but Bitty Bit seems to have a right hand on his left side here. At least I wouldn't want to try that move at home. 298: The "END" image in WISHING HORSE shows Pigasus on the back of a horse, presumably Chalk. Since those characters were together for only a few, hostile moments, we must assume the image is a fanciful one, like many that Neill drew for books' frontmatter. Or perhaps it's another horse altogether, since there were plenty of those in the Emerald City. We have to ask if riding on Pigasus's back causes one to speak in rhyme, what's the result of having Pigasus ride on one's own back? Ruth Berman wrote: <<In "Wishing Horse," unlike a bunch of the Oz books immediately preceding, NONE of the color plates are close duplicates of b&w illos. The closest one comes to duplicating is the color plate of Bitty Bit's tower, similar in its serpentine expansion to the version in the b&w illo. But the color plate shows Bitty Bit popping out the open skylight to greet Dorothy and Pigasus, and in the b&w they have all just vanished into the tower through the skylight.>> Thompson describes Bitty Bit's castle as "tube-like" [225-6], which implies she imagined it as round. Neill draws it as square, the better to fit with a standard window on top. <<Speaking as we were of types of parade locomotion, Neill has a nice portrait of the Wizard stepping along on his rubber sphere. (You'd think he'd be about to fall off, as shown, but perhaps there's a touch of magic involved. Or maybe one really good high backstep is about to be stepped.)>> Thompson's text says the Wizard was on a "revolving green ball" [101]. Neill and his colorist render the ball in multiple colors, the better for a plate (and the ball's not really revolving, either). The Scarecrow is also rolling on a ball on the WISHING HORSE dedication page, though in his case the ball looks fuzzy--perhaps meant to be a hay bale? <<Although none of the color plates duplicates a b&w shot, none of them shows an otherwise unpictured character. There's an otherwise unpictured place in the color plate of the disappeared VIPs asleep at the bottom of Thunder Lake.>> In this image opposite page 244, Jinnicky and perhaps the Wizard are smiling while the Tin Woodman seems to be grimacing. Though the tin man's features aren't very flexible, Neill was certainly capable of drawing him with a happier expression (see, for instance, page 279). Is he, even in his magic-induced coma, worried about rusting? J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 037 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE mysteries | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 10:16 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE mysteries Thompson's author's note for WISHING HORSE begins by saying, "What could be more interesting than an Oz mystery? 'Why,' I can almost hear you shout, 'Two Oz mysteries.' And here you have them in this newest Oz story, two very mysterious mysteries to solve and ponder over..." Thompson never really defines these mysteries, however, and WISHING HORSE is certainly not set up like a mystery story. What happened to Oz is a mystery to Dorothy, but not to the readers--we know not only who is behind it, but also his motive and his means. When Dorothy DOES find out what happened, it is not through gathering clues and making deductions, but through the mental powers of Bitty Bit. How the necklaces work could possibly be seen as a "mystery," since it is not revealed until the end of the book, but, once again, there are no real clues, and a magical being (Chalk, in this case) solves the mystery without any sleuthing. While WISHING HORSE is one of Thompson's best Oz books, it falls flat as a mystery, let alone two mysteries. Nathan |
| 038 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE art | From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> |
From: "Nathan Mulac DeHoff" <DinnerBell at t...> Date: Tue Apr 16, 2002 10:07 pm Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE art J. L. Bell: >99: Neill draws these Emerald City houses with street numbers, perhaps for >the first time. They reappear in WONDER CITY. The numbers are rather odd, as well. Why would number 10 be next door to number 34? Also, it is interesting that Neill's numbered houses always seem to have numbers less than 100. In the WONDER CITY illustration that shows much of the city, there seem to only be three houses on most blocks, so the typical system of having all of the house numbers on one block begin with the same mulitple of one hundred might be unnecessary. >200: Though Thompson refers to Potaroo's "straggly whiskers" [198], both >here and in the previous color plate the Nome wizard is clean-shaven. He also looks quite different (and younger) than in GNOME KING, although I don't think he had whiskers in that title, either. Nathan |
| 039 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE art | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 1:09 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE art Melody Grandy wrote: <<> 286: It's a bit hard to make out, but Bitty Bit seems to have a right hand > on his left side here. At least I wouldn't want to try that move at home. Neill made that type of goof in more than one drawing.>> Yes, I understand it's common for right-handed artists to sketch in too many left hands, simply because they have a model so easily available. It's just an impression, but I sensed that Neill's art for WISHING HORSE adhered more closely to the details of Thompson's text than in many other Oz books. But that's all relative. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 040 [Return to index] | Subject: wishing art & oz licenses | From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at m...> |
From: "Ruth Berman" <berma005 at m...> Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 1:04 pm Subject: wishing art & oz licenses J. L. Bell: Enjoyed your art discussion -- and was tickled by the suggestion that Potaroo's straggly dog is Whiskers. After all, why not? About the end-image of Pigasus riding Chalk -- perhaps that's meant to suggest that Pigasus paid a visit to Skampavia after the story's end to see how they were getting along. (And to check on whether the memoryless Matiah was getting into trouble? Although with Skamperoo wished into being a wise and generous ruler, perhaps any potential problems in that situation had been easily resolved.) KHarmonyarts at a... wrote: > In SBM, since magic is potentially a very dangerous thing indeed, in order to be a legal witch, wizard, sorcerer, wizardess, or whatever, you have to get a license from Ozma and/or Glinda. So getting a license is an option for harmless and innocent magic workers, at least in my version of Oz. Melody > The references to licenses in the Oz books seem to show that the Wizard and Glinda (and the Good Witch of the North, a little later) are the only licensed magicians, with others either visiting non-Ozites (Jinnicky) or unlicensed illegals staying under the radar. But it's certainly plausible that Ozma might have lightened up in years since, as she became aware of people like the Adepts and Wumbo who weren't doing any harm, and issued more licenses. Lessee, they'd need a DMV (Department of Magic Vocations) to give first a written exam and then a practical one. The written one might not pose any special problems, but the practical one might. At the least, they'd want a good large area clear to hold it in. Or perhaps, since orderly character more than level of skill is the main issue, it would be more like applying to college, and you'd have to write an essay on Good Things I Would Do for My Community and get assorted community leaders to write Ozma letters about what an upstanding sort you really are. Ruth Berman |
| 041 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE art | From: "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne at a...> |
From: "John W. Kennedy" <jwkenne at a...> Date: Wed Apr 17, 2002 3:29 pm Subject: Re: [Nonestica] WISHING HORSE art Nathan Mulac DeHoff wrote: > The numbers are rather odd, as well. Why would number 10 be next door to > number 34? Not unusual in older times and older cities, where the numbers sometimes represented no more than the order in which the owners, two hundred years ago, decided to give in to the postman's earnest pleas, mixed with some owners' "good luck" choices. > Also, it is interesting that Neill's numbered houses always seem > to have numbers less than 100. In the WONDER CITY illustration that shows > much of the city, there seem to only be three houses on most blocks, so the > typical system of having all of the house numbers on one block begin with > the same mulitple of one hundred might be unnecessary. That "usual" is, in fact, quite modern. Strictly speaking, of course, the Emerald City is quite young, having been built by Oscar Diggs. But it shows no signs of 19th-century urban planning, let alone 20th. -- John W. Kennedy Read the remains of Shakespeare's lost play, now annotated!http://pws.prserv.net/jwkennedy/Double%20Falshood.html |
| 042 [Return to index] | Subject: WISHING HORSE mysteries | From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> |
From: "J. L. Bell" <JnoLBell at c...> Date: Fri Apr 19, 2002 12:44 pm Subject: WISHING HORSE mysteries Nathan DeHoff wrote: <<Thompson's author's note for WISHING HORSE begins by saying, "What could be more interesting than an Oz mystery? 'Why,' I can almost hear you shout, 'Two Oz mysteries.' And here you have them in this newest Oz story, two very mysterious mysteries to solve and ponder over..." Thompson never really defines these mysteries, however, and WISHING HORSE is certainly not set up like a mystery story.>> That remark struck me as very odd, too. The best interpretation I could make starts with Thompson writing her author's note well after finishing the book. The note also says, "If I had the magic necklace mentioned in this story," while the story describes three magic necklaces, showing her memory was imperfect. Then if Thompson were recalling the story from Dorothy's point of view, the little girl does indeed face two big mysteries in chapters 7 and 8: What happened to Ozma and the other rulers, and who is this Skamperoo person? As you say, we readers are already acquainted with the new emperor, and know that he's responsible for the others' disappearance even if we don't yet know where they are. So there are mysteries for us to solve. As I wrote before, I think the modern literary genre in which WISHING HORSE fits best is the spy thriller. Dorothy and Pigasus's lonely flight across Oz is especially reminiscent of some of the journeys John Buchan's hero Richard Hannay makes, as in THE THIRTY-NINE STEPS. J. L. Bell JnoLBell at c... |
| 043 [Return to index] | Subject: Wishing Horse thoughts | From: "charlie_the_cat_pooka" <tcp at z...> |
From: "charlie_the_cat_pooka" <tcp at z...> Date: Mon Apr 22, 2002 2:23 am Subject: Wishing Horse thoughts Wishing Horse of Oz thoughts Having just finished reading the story myself I come to some interesting conclusions about the tale and how it relates to Oz. 1. Skamperoo Skamperoo I think it was quite obviously portrayed as not a great threat to Oz once he was defeated. The man's love of luxury was his chief failing along with the exceptional temptation of the magical emeralds. In probably my favorite Sherlock Holmes mystery "The Blue Carbunkle" I believe it was Sherlock Holmes comes across a man who had commited grand theft and let him go at the end of the story despite Holmes almost pathological tendancy to admire the law in all things. Skamperoo is much the same in that without his magical aid he is more or less powerless. Furthermore with a revised kingdom of prosperity assured by Bennty's words it's quite likely Ozma saw him soon to be turning to Ozzian ideals....not to mention it helps to have an enemy who is now a friend (or at least has shown you extreme mercy in the past). 2. Oz foreign Policy If I am to make a bizzare comparison I think of Oz filling the position that the United States currently occupies as fairy |