Day 1 - Tip begins work on Jack Pumpkinhead
Day 2 - Tip completes Jack - Mombi returns, brings Jack to life - in evening,s
  Tip frees Jack & runs away; walks all night ("moon and stars shone
  brightly"; last quarter?)
Day 3 - Tip enchants Sawhorse - party is separated - Jack & Sawhorse arrive
  in the Emerald City, where they meet the Scarecrow - Tip meets Gen. Jinjur,
  enters EC with Army of Revolt - Scarecrow, Tip, Jack & Sawhorse escape
  from palace, head to Tin Woodman's Castle - night along road
Day 4 - Tip's party arrives at the Tin Woodman's Castle
Day 5 - The Tin Woodman joins Tip's party - they leave for the EC - Mombi
  interferes with their progress - they meet the Wogglebug - they reach the EC
  and expell Jinjur from the palace - they build the Gump and escape, flying
  all night ("a cloudy sky, through which the rays of the moon could not
  penetrate")
Day 6 - The Gump smashes at the Jackdaws' nest - they fight the Jackdaws &
  the Gump is repaired - night in nest
Day 7 - The party leaves in the morning - the Scarecrow appeals to Glinda -
  Glinda tells the stories of Ozma and the Wizard - night in palace
Day 8 - Glinda summons council and decides to march against the EC
Day 9 - Glinda's army marches against the EC - arrives after nightfall ("by
  the dim light of the new moon")
Day 10 - Glinda's army besieges the EC - Glinda demands the surrender of Mombi
  - Jinjur invites her to search the city - Tin Woodman picks a rose
Day 11 - Glinda discovers Mombi and defeats her in a sorcerer's battle -
  disenchantment of Ozma
Day 12 - Glinda's army takes the EC - capture of Jinjur

Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 15:55:12 -0500 (EST)
From: OzBucket at aol.com
Subject: Oz
 
Yeah, the Digests are shrinking these days. Maybe we need to go on to Land?
If so, I want to say that I thought the Scarecrow seemed uncharacteristically
MEAN when he first met Jack, who he then is supposed to consider "his new
friend." Excuse me, but I don't think anyone would say such cruel things to
anyone he thought of as a ":friend:". Of course, I admit that the Scarecrow's
character was not so well established yet, but GEEZ, this guy is downright
hateful! It still surprises me that such a great series evolved from these
first two books.

Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 10:09:50 -0800
From: "Stephen J. Teller" <steller at pittstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-04-97
 
If discussion of THE [MARVELOUS] LAND OF OZ is beginning, an opening shot:
 
Baum only decided to write a second Oz book after the success of the
musical WIZARD OF OZ, his greatest financial success.  He planned the
second book to be stage adapted (the result, THE WOGGLE-BUG, was a
flop).  This esplains the army of Girls and the many excurciating puns.
Stage audiences adored them.  Do other traces of staginess show up in
this book?  Neill's illustrations for LAND are much stiffer than in
later books.  The Griffin Monbi is magnificent, however.
 
Steve T.

Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 14:40:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: ozzy digest
 
Steve Teller: You mentioned the army of girls and excessive punning in "Land" as showing
Baum's intention of making a stage play out of it.  There's been a good deal of scattered
comment on that topic.  Fred Meyer, in "Dramatic Influence on Oz" (Best of the Baum Bugle 61-
62), included those two points, also the fact that the Scarecrow and Tin Woodman (who, as
impersonated by Montgomery and Stone, had been the most popular characters in the stage
"Wizard") were major characters.  Dan Mannix, in "Off to See the Wizard" (Best 67-69) added the
dedication of "Land" to Montgomery and Stone, the girl-faced sunflowers (for equivalent staging
of the "Wizard" poppies), the fact that Tip turns into a girl (a plot development that was pretty
standard in plays where the main character was a boy who was going to be expected to be
played by a young woman), and the inclusion of satire on the suffragette movement (more likely
to interest grownups, who would be present in a theater audience in large numbers, than the
children would be the majority of readers).  And Peter Glassman, in his afterword to the Books
of Wonder edition, commented that the scene between the Scarecrow and Jack Pumpkinhead,
with the rapid-patter cross-purposes conversation and the knockabout physical humor of pushing
Jack to sit down sounded like something meant to be staged.
 
Ruth Berman

Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 16:13:23 -0500 (EST)
From: DavidXOE at aol.com
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-04 & 05-97
 
3/5:
Steve:
Discussion of THE MARVELOUS LAND OF OZ? Sure; I think the discussion of
WIZARD has pretty well petered out by now.
 
I think it's obvious that Baum had a stage play in mind when he was writing
LAND - there are not one but two armies of girls, plus the sunflowers with
the faces of beautiful girls - all good excuses for showing off legs. The
Woggle-bug and Jack Pumpkinhead were set up as a sort of Abbott and Costello
pair (before the days of A&C, to be sure, but the latter are just one of the
better-known examples of an old vaudeville tradition), probably hoping to
duplicate the popularity of Montgomery and Stone's Tin Woodman and Scarecrow.
 
As for Neill's illustrations, it looks to me as if he was trying to stick
closer to Denslow's style in this book than he was later, and it didn't suit
his talents. Denslow was a cartoonist; Neill was an illustrator. Both styles
are valid ways to illustrate a children's book (Dick Martin, George O'Connor,
and "Dirk" are cartoonists; Frank Kramer, Eric Shanower, and Melody Grandy
are illustrators), but it works better when an artist uses his or her natural
style.
 
And since we've been mentioning this kind of thing off and on lately, it
might be worthy of mention that LAND is the only Neill-illustrated Oz book I
know of where a female character (Glinda) shows unmistakeable cleavage. :-)
 
David Hulan

Date: Fri, 07 Mar 97 10:54:37 (PST)
From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com>
Subject: Ozzy Things
 
FROM _WIZARD_ TO _LAND_ (WITH QUICK DETOURS TO _WICKED_???):
>Discussion of THE MARVELOUS LAND OF OZ? Sure; I think the discussion of
>WIZARD has pretty well petered out by now.
 
Any other votes for our moving on the _Land_?  If so, then I have a
"transitional" question...Does anyone see any evidence (from _Land_
and from the musical) that from the _Wizard_ musical up until DOTWIZ
Baum's intent was for the Wizard to be evil (not unlike _Wicked_!)?
 
 
                              -- Dave

Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 15:34:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: ozzy digest
 
Dave Hardenbrook: Your suggestion that Baum might have been thinking of the Wizard as he
appears in the stageplay in having the Wizard be the one who turns the infant Ozma over to
Mombi sounds plausible.  "Villain" is maybe too strong a term.  He might actually have had in
mind the kind of scenario that Hugh Pendexter used in his "Oz and the 3 Witches" story, where
the Wizard thinks he is getting the kid into protection against the two Wickeds.  I forget to what
extent he is antagonistic in the stageplay. 
 
Ruth Berman

Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 00:54:28 -0500 (EST)
From: RMorris306 at aol.com
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-07-97
 
 
Ruth Berman wrote:
 
<<Dan Mannix, in "Off to See the Wizard" (Best 67-69) added the dedication of
"Land" to Montgomery and Stone, the girl-faced sunflowers (for equivalent
staging of the "Wizard" poppies), the fact that Tip turns into a girl (a plot
development that was pretty standard in plays where the main character was a
boy who was going to be expected to be played by a young woman)...>>
 
    That tradition seems to be on the way out (reportedly a new PETER PAN
movie is in the works that will have an actual boy as Peter), just as the
reverse tradition faded out (i.e., adult women played by boys, customary in
the 16th and 17th centuries...which is why Shakespeare's heroines are always
dressing as boys). But to some extent I've wondered to what extent Baum had
it in mind even in later years...a lot of his boys (not just the
deliberately-androgynous Chick, who *was* played by a female on stage) seem
to have androgynous, if not downright feminine, names (e.g., Inga, Kiki)...
 
Dave Hardenbrook wrote:
 
    <<Any other votes for our moving on the _Land_?  If so, then I have a
"transitional" question...Does anyone see any evidence (from _Land_ and from
the musical) that from the _Wizard_ musical up until DOTWIZ Baum's intent was
for the Wizard to be evil (not unlike _Wicked_!)?>>
 
    I think Baum wasn't really sure what the Wizard was actually like at the
time...in retrospect, I'm inclined to think Mombi tried to put all the blame
on him (rather than herself) since he wasn't there to defend himself.
 
Rich Morrissey

Date: Sat, 08 Mar 1997 18:50:31 -0800
From: serenadb at sos.net (Serena  DuBois)
Subject: Ozzy Digest 3/7/97
 
Re the Oz color coding question. I just finished rereading "Land" for the
week's discussion, and Baum made a BIG point of the color coding. Purple
grass, mud etc in the Gilliken Country changing to Green when they got near
the Emerald City. And Jinjur's army's costumes as well. THEY would have made
a great chorus line in a theatrical version particularly if balanced by
Glinda's army. 
 
And evidently cash or trade wasn't non-existent either since that ferryman
refused to take them across the river without payment, and they had to float
over on the Sawhorse, not to mention all the "stuff" surrounding the
Scarecrow being stuffed with the money from the Jackdaw's nest. Though of
course it was agreed in the end that the "Riches of Content" were the most
important. 
 
     Serena

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 08:36:19 -0500 (EST)
From: CrNoble at aol.com
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-25-97
 
Book of the Moment:
 
Have we started discussed _The Marvelous Land of Oz_ yet?  Here are a few
observations to get things rolling:
 
1.  The plot seems much more haphazard than I had remembered.  For example:
 Tip, the Scarecrow & co. escape the Emerald City to seek help from the Tin
Woodman, but then they go back to the City with no real plan.  All they
really accomplish is getting trapped again, this time with more friends to
share in the misery.  Also, the Woggle Bug wasn't so smart to wish the Gump
repaired following the crash in the Jackdaws nest.  Nor would it have been
terribly efficient to use a pill to wish the Gump to fly in the right
direction to Glinda's palace.  The silver wishing pills *could* have been
used to restore the Scarecrow to the throne.  Of course the story would have
ended right there, and Tip might never have been transformed back to Ozma.
 It's been discussed many times before how powerful magic gets conveniently
forgotten by Oz characters so as to keep the stories moving.
 
2. I had forgotten that Ozma was originally a blonde!  I think it's been said
in this forum that Neill needed to change her hair color so as to
differentiate her from Dorothy when they're drawn together.  This wouldn't
have been a problem, though, if Dorothy had stayed a brunette as in _Wizard_.
 I happen to like Ozma as a brunette and Dorothy as a blonde, but that's
probably because I'm used to them.
 
3. Notice the illustration of Glinda with cleavage.
 
4. Is it ever explained in later Oz books why Jack's head didn't spoil?  I
don't remember.  Maybe his fears were simply unfounded.  Perhaps the Powder
of Life rendered his head unspoilable.
 
5. As in _Wizard_, bread and cheese seem to be popular foods for travelers.
 I suppose they're nourishing and have a relatively long shelf life (even if
they do get a little stale and moldy!).
 
Sorry so long,
Craig Noble

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:09:36 -0800
From: "Stephen J. Teller" <steller at pittstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-27-97
 
> 4. Is it ever explained in later Oz books why Jack's head didn't spoil?  I
> don't remember.  Maybe his fears were simply unfounded.  Perhaps the Powder
> of Life rendered his head unspoilable.
 
Actually Jack's head did spoil.  In (IBIW) ROAD TO OZ there is found a
graveyard of Jack's former heads.  However, everytime he but on a new
head it seemed to retain all his old memories.  That's why he lives in
the midst of a pumpkin patch.
 
Steve T.

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:42:46 -0800
From: Bob Spark <bspark at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-27-97

Craig,
     "Is it ever explained in later Oz books why Jack's head didn't
spoil? I don't remember.  Maybe his fears were simply unfounded. 
Perhaps the Powder of Life rendered his head unspoilable."

     In one of the later books someone is visiting Jack and remarks are
made about him raising a crop of pumpkins in order to replace the
current one when it gets old.  I can't recall which book it was.

Bob Spark

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:37:03 -0500 (EST)
From: sahutchi at cord.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-27-97
 
Craig--Dorothy was a brunette in Wizard?  Not in Denslow's illustration.
I found it strange Neill drew Ozma blond when Tip had brown hair.  I could
never figured out why he did that.  I would assume that Tip and Ozma would
look fairly similar, at least in things as general as hair color, being
twins and all.
Scott

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:04:10 -0800
From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
 
Craig:
The Wishing Pills might not have been powerful enough to restore the 
Scarecrow to the throne.  All magic has its limits.  Of course, we never 
found out, because, as you mentioned, the characters never thought of 
this idea.
 
In _Road_, it was revealed that Jack changes his head every month or so. 
He grows replacement heads in his pumpkin patch.
-- 
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
lnvf at grove.iup.edu or vovat at geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:14:20 -0800
From: ozbot <ozbot at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-27-97

LAND--
This is one of my top three favorite Oz books, although I have to agree
with Baum's wierd plotting, and the irony of the wishing pills being able
to be their solution all along.

It's also ironic that Jinjur's great feministic stance (that men have been
ruling Oz for too long) is nonetheless riddled with stereotypes, as she
sits on a couch to eat bonbons and gets frightened by a mouse!

Also, I never really liked the Wogglebug character (sorry, David!) and his
presence seemed superfluous.  I would have preferred the group meeting up
with their friend the Lion, who would be able to add great force to their
group (although he'd probably be too afraid of hurting someone if he would
be pressured into fighting) and would most likely still be able to fulfill
Wogglebug's only significant action-- having a strong stomach to swalllow
the wishing pill.

More later. . . ?

Danny

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:27:32 -0500
From: Tyler Jones <tylerjones at compuserve.com>
Subject: Oz

Jack's Head:
While his heads can and do spoil (see _The Road to Oz_), his first one did
seem to have staying power beyond that of most pumpkins, perhaps as you said
because that head got an actual dose of the powder of life. He makes an
extremely brief appearance at the end of _Ozma_ and is described as being
"a little overripe but still active".

As far as I can tell, he does not appear at all in _DotWiz_.

--Tyler Jones

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 22:06:43 -0500 (EST)
From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu>
Subject: Religion in Oz

5) Chris, concerning _Land_, perhaps Nick Chopper, being the national hero
of Winkieland for his destruction of Bastinda's bees and wolves, was
somewhat overconfident of his military progress.  As for the wishing
pills, I suspect that all forms of magic are limited, and this may be
something which is well-known in Oz.  As such, Tip and co. may have been
reluctant to wish for too much, lest the wish not be fulfiled--or worse.

Also:  Jack's head did spoil, but he lived on.  See _The Road to Oz_ to
find out how.

Random thought:  Tip may have gotten a stomach ache because Dr. Nikidik
made the wishing pills assuming that they would be swallowed by mortals
and not fairies.  In the computer world, the analogous situation is when a
program acts strangely when it is run under conditions that violate
assumptions that the programmer made.  I'd hate to see what the magical
equivalent of a computer crashing is.

Aaron Solomon (ben Saul Joseph) Adelman
adelman at ymail.yu.edu         North Antozian Systems and The Martian Empire

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:33:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu>
Subject: Ozzy Digest

Some observations on _The Marvelous Land of Oz_:

1) The Golden Cap:  during the trip to the Tin Woodman's castle, the 
Scarecrow tells Jack that "the Winged Monkeys are now the slaves of 
Glinda the Good, who owns the Golden Cap that commands their services." 
At the end of WWoO, however, Glinda states that she is using her three 
wishes to transport the Scarecrow, the Tin Woodman, and the Lion to their 
respective realms, after which she will turn the Cap over to the head 
monkey and deliver all of the monkeys from slavery.  I assume this is 
another of Baum's little slips, but it would be interesting to know if 
anyone has come up with an adroit explanation for the discrepancy.

2)  Speaking of the Lion:  where is he??  I know that Baum wrote _Land_ 
with an eye to transforming it with as little effort as possible into a 
stage play, and for whatever reasons he evidently didn't want to include 
the Cowardly Lion as a character, but I find it truly odd that the Lion 
doesn't even rate a mention in Tip's account of Dorothy's adventures (p. 
36).  As far as I can see, the only reference to the Lion in the entire 
book is in the description of the Tin Woodman's ornamental silver oil 
can, which has engraved scenes of the Fab Four in their various 
adventures.  It's hard to account for this near-total erasure of the Lion 
from public memory--even if he's not an active character in the book, 
you'd expect at least some mention of how he is living happily in the 
forest as King of the Beasts.

3)  Mortality:  as people have mentioned, this is an exceedingly jokey 
book (again with an eye to stage dialogue), but it also has a distinctly 
dark side to it.  I don't know of any other Oz book that has so many 
references to death. Poor Jack Pumpkinhead is obsessed with the thought 
of his ongoing decay, and the Gump positively has a death wish:  "My only 
satisfaction is that I do not seem to have a very strong constitution, 
and am not likely to live long in a state of slavery."  I wonder if Baum 
had second thoughts about all this talk of mortality and for that reason 
arranged for Ozma to abolish death from the Land of Oz.

Craig:  at the end of _Land_ Baum says that Jack Pumpkinhead remained 
with Ozma to the end of his days and did not spoil as soon as he had 
feared, but in _Road_ Dorothy encounters Jack in the best of health and 
currently on his fourth head (the previous three have been ceremonially 
buried with gravestones), managing a big pumpkin patch for the 
cultivation of new heads which Ozma herself continues to carve for him--a 
really nice touch, I think.

4)  Who's Alice? In the illustration of Professor Nowitall's classroom 
(p. 147), if you look very closely at the front desk you will see the 
name Alice B. carved into the wood, with what looks like the initial D. 
beneath it and an arrow-pierced heart below that.  Does anyone know if
Neill had a real Alice in mind in this detail?  Could Alice B. be a Baum
relative?

5)  Arithmetic:  I don't know about the rest of you, but I always have
had the feeling that the Sawhorse's solution to the problem of counting
to seventeen by two's involves an illegal maneuver.  Doubling one-half to
make one doesn't really constitute counting by two's, does it?

6)  The Grassy Knoll:  shortly before that quotation about the Golden 
Cap, the Scarecrow remarks, "It was upon this grassy knoll that I once 
saved Dorothy from the Stinging Bees of the Wicked Witch of the West."  
Funny how that quirky little phrase shows up in a children's story 59 
years before it became an indelible part of the vocabulary of national 
trauma and conspiracy theory.

7)  The plot:  I agree with Craig that the return to the Emerald City 
with nothing more than a few field mice to scare Jinjur and her army 
doesn't make a lot of sense.  Why not go directly to Glinda for help?  On 
the other hand, that shortcut would have deprived us of the grumpy Gump, 
one of the most interesting characters in the book.  Also:  counting this 
trip to the Emerald City there are a total of three major encounters with 
Jinjur (her initial seizure of the EC, the recapture of the throne room, 
and the final battle with Glinda), and clearly Baum favored three-fold 
repetitions of plot elements, a structural device that is central to folk 
fairy tales and shows up very strongly in WWoZ as well.

Speaking of the Gump, not to mention a much more recent Gump:  I see that 
the OED defines a gump as "a foolish person, a dolt" and gives citations 
back to 1825.  

I had some further comments about eating beans with a knife and General 
Jinjur's brand of feminism, but--enough is enough!

--Gordon Birrell

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:02:46 -0800
From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest

Scott:
I believe that, in _Land_, Baum described Ozma as having "golden 
tresses," or something like that.  As for Ozma looking like Tip, Mombi 
would probably have wanted Tip to look almost nothing like Ozma, so that 
no one would recognize him/her as a member of the Royal Family.  Melody's 
_Disenchanted Princess_ explains where Tip's form originated.

Danny:
I like the Wogglebug's character, but I agree that he added little to the 
plot of _Land_.  Apparently Baum thought that the Wogglebug would make a 
good stage character.  I remember reading somewhere that the Highly 
Magnified one's style of puns was popular in theaters of the time.  BTW, 
one reason I like the Wogglebug's character is because I can identify 
with him.  I know what it's like to make a pun that no one but myself 
appreciates.

Aaron:
In _Wooglet in Oz_, Chris states his belief that-Wait!  Better use one of 
these:

************************SPOILERS FOR _WOOGLET IN OZ_********************
Now, where was I?  Oh, yes.  Chris states his belief that it was the 
sloppy algebra that gave Tip pains.  The Sawhorse really didn't solve the 
problem of how to count to seventeen by twos, since the first step was a 
MULTIPLICATION by two!
**********************END SPOILERS**************************************

That's all for today.
-- 
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
lnvf at grove.iup.edu or vovat at geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 23:04:56 -0500
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 3-28-97

Between "Wizard" and "Land," there's quite a character change in the Tin
Woodman. After the Winkie tinsmiths repair him--"to be sure, there were
several patches on him, but the tinsmiths did a good job, and as the
Woodman was not a vain main he did not mind the patches at all. In "Land,"
though, being ruler of the Winkies must have affected him--when Tip tells
theScarecrow that Nick's not really an emperor--his kingdom's too
small--the Scarecrow warns him not to say that to Nick because he is
"proud."

One person opined that the stage portrayal of the Tin Woodman may have
influenced Baum to turn Nick from "not vain" to "vain." 

Of course, perhaps Baum felt it was realistic to have Nick's newfound power
affect him that way.

As a child, I also enjoyed "The Wizard's" descriptions of the immense weath
of Oz. Jewels! Gold! But only because I thought it would be nice if
everyone could be rich. And good. (I still do! :-) :-)  ) Of all fantasies
ever read, Oz fulfils that fantasy best. :-) :-)

Melody Grandy

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 17:35:48 -0500 (EST)
From: DavidXOE at aol.com
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-27-97

I just got back from visiting my mother in Tennessee and it's late, so I
won't comment extensively, but I did want to mention to Craig that Jack's
heads _do_ spoil; the tombstones of three of them turn up in ROAD. Apparently
adding a regular carved pumpkin to his body brings it magically to life.

David Hulan

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 97 00:48:44 (PST)
From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com>
Subject: Ozzy Things

Gordon wrote:
>5)  Arithmetic:  I don't know about the rest of you, but I always have
>had the feeling that the Sawhorse's solution to the problem of counting 
>to seventeen by two's involves an illegal maneuver.  Doubling one-half to 
>make one doesn't really constitute counting by two's, does it?

I would say that the definition of "counting by twos" is starting with
two and incrementing by two...In C++ it would be:

void Wishing_Pill::Count_to_seventeen()
{
     for(i = 2; i < 17; i += 2)  // Start with 2 and increment by 2 each time
     {
          cout << i << endl;  // Print the number we're currently counting

          if(i == 17) Grant_Wish();  // This will *never* be executed
                                     // because i will *never* be 17! :(
     }
}

The output of this will be the even numbers: 2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16.  The next
iteration will increment i from 16 to 18 bypassing 17.  Now that I've shown
off my programming knowledge, I come to the conclusion that counting to
17 by twos is utterly impossible!  The only two avenues of escape is if (A) Oz
uses an alternate number/numeral system in which the symbol '17' represents
an even number; or, more likely, (B) In Oz, "counting by twos" has a broader
definition, and can also mean starting with one and counting odd numbers...
*This* will work:

void Wishing_Pill::Count_to_seventeen()
{
     for(i = 1; i < 17; i += 2)  // Start with 1 and increment by 2 each time
     {
          cout << i << endl;  // Print the number we're currently counting

          if(i == 17) Grant_Wish();  // Grant the wish when i equals 17! :)
     }
}

Output: 1,3,5,7,11,13,15,17
                         ^^
We hit 17, and our wish is granted!!! :) :)

(The preceeding code was reprinted with the kind permission of 
 The Magic of Everything Faerie Programmers of Nonestica, Inc.) :) :) :)

                             -- Dave

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 06:21:28 -0800
From: Bob Spark <bspark at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-30-97

Gordon,
     Re: "Speaking of the Gump, not to mention a much more recent Gump: 
I see that the OED defines a gump as "a foolish person, a dolt" and
gives citations back to 1825."

     There once was a comic strip character named Andy Gump who was
quite a foolish person.  I don't know if he was in existence in 1825
(rather doubt it) but if there are any OZ connections I can't make
them.  Baum's Gump is definitely not "a foolish person, a dolt". 

Bob Spark

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 11:52:26 +0500
From: rri0189 at ibm.net
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-30-97

2) I have always assumed, even from childhood, that the Sawhorse's logic
in counting seventeen by two's fossilizes an old school rote formula
that runs:  "Counting by twos:  two, twice two is four, six, eight,
ten....".  It is not unheard of for paedegogical paradigms (Hey!  I used
the word correctly!) to fall out of fashion.  Perhaps some people on the
Digest are old enough to remember:

   a, e, i, o, u, and sometimes y & w

(It's true; there are a very, very few rare English words of Welsh origin,
such as "cwm" [an English borrowing with the same Celtic root as "coomb",
which is itself one of the dozen or so British {i.e., proto-Welsh}  words
to survive from pre-Anglo-Saxon, pre-Roman times into modern English],
in which "w" is used as a vowel.)

or
 
   ST. WAPNIACL.
 
(If no-one can remember, or guess, who the old saint is, I'll update on a
later posting.)

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 13:41:19 -0800
From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
 
Gordon:
The Scarecrow was probably incorrect when he stated that Glinda had the 
Golden Cap.  After all, if Glinda fulfilled her plans at the end of 
_Wizard_, the Scarecrow would have been in the Emerald City by the time 
that Glinda gave the cap to the Monkey King.
 
Death might be mentioned more in _Wizard_ than it is in _Land_, but it is 
mentioned many times in both.  Someone once mentioned that, when death is 
mentioned in _Land_, it is in a more humorous way than in _Wizard_, with 
Jinjur's threat to turn the Wogglebug into goulash cited as an example.
-- 
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
lnvf at grove.iup.edu or vovat at geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 15:27:15 -0500 (EST)
From: DavidXOE at aol.com
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 03-24 thru 27-97
 
3/27:
Craig:
March 26 was supposed to be the kickoff date for discussing LAND, so you're
not premature.
 
I agree that the plot of the book is haphazard - pretty much the classic
"idiot plot", meaning that if the lead characters would stop acting like
idiots for five minutes, the story would end right there.
 
I noted that in the first chapter, Tip refers to his having had the ague
"last year". This appears to be pretty conclusive evidence that human illness
had not been abolished in Oz prior to Ozma's accession, and if illness hadn't
been abolished, then aging and death probably hadn't either, though that's
inference and not conclusive.
 
Also, something that bothered me even when I first read the book at age 8 or
so - starting at one-half is no help in counting to seventeen by twos. It's
true that one is twice one-half, but counting by twos is an arithmetic
progression, not a geometric one. If you want to count to seventeen by twos
you have to start at minus one. (Or just start with one in the first place.)
 
David Hulan

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 14:48:23 -0800
From: "Stephen J. Teller" <steller at pittstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-30-97
 
> From: Gordon Birrell
 
> Some observations on _The Marvelous Land of Oz_:
> 
> 1) The Golden Cap:  during the trip to the Tin Woodman's castle, the
> Scarecrow tells Jack that "the Winged Monkeys are now the slaves of
> Glinda the Good, who owns the Golden Cap that commands their services."
> At the end of WWoO, however, Glinda states that she is using her three
> wishes to transport the Scarecrow, the Tin Woodman, and the Lion to their
> respective realms, after which she will turn the Cap over to the head
> monkey and deliver all of the monkeys from slavery.  I assume this is
> another of Baum's little slips, but it would be interesting to know if
> anyone has come up with an adroit explanation for the discrepancy.
> 
The Scarecrow has a leaky memory?
 
> Craig:  at the end of _Land_ Baum says that Jack Pumpkinhead remained
> with Ozma to the end of his days and did not spoil as soon as he had
> feared, but in _Road_ Dorothy encounters Jack in the best of health.
 
Baum intended MARVELOUS LAND to be his last Oz book.  Later he intended
EMERALD CITY to be the last Oz book.  He just couldn't kill his best
cash cow.
 
 
> I had some further comments about eating beans with a knife and General
> Jinjur's brand of feminism, but--enough is enough!
> 
"I Eat my peas with honey.
I've Done it all my life.
They do taste kinda funny,
But it keeps them on my knife."
 
Steve T.

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:30:16 -0500
From: Tyler Jones <tylerjones at compuserve.com>
Subject: Oz
 
Gordon:
The boring explanation, of course, is that the brainy Scarecrow simply forgot
about Glinda's promise to the King, and did not know of the three-service
limit. Of course, Glinda could have altered the cap so that the owner
(herself) could use it indefinitely, but that seems out of character for
Glinda, especially since she said that she wanted to grant the monkeys
their freedom. Perhaps the Monkeys were so impressed with Glinda (she is,
after all, something special) that they volunteered to serve her without the
cap.
 
I forgot if _The Marvelous Monkeys of Oz_ or _The Winged Monkeys of Oz_
mentioned the cap. Can anybody help out?
 
In the non-HACCurate _A Barnstormer in Oz_, after Glinda gives the cap to
King Izarndanduz (The iron-handed one), who hides it, but somebody finds it
again...
 
The lion's absence is unusual. If the lion had been there, we would have had
a very interesting parallel with the first book.
 
However, it is perhaps better in the long run that it did not happen this
way. IMHO, it would have set a bad precedent and it's possible that almost
all Oz books would be about somebody who journeys around Oz with those same
three characters.
 
Death in _Land_:
Also, Jinjur deliberately gives full details on how each of Tip's companions
will come to their grisly end.
 
counting to 17 by 2's:
It's an interesting parallel to the Scarecrow's mangling of the pythagorean
theorem in the MGM movie. It would have been easier to simply start at one,
which after all IS a natural starting point for any counting sequence. I
suspect that the spell simply ignored the one-half part.
 
Gordon, I must confess: I was the second Scarecrow behind the grassy knoll.
 
Dave:
Cool program, but you forgot to pass in a pointer to the wish itself! :-)
 
--Tyler Jones

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:03:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu>
Subject: Arithmetic in Oz
 
1) Gordon, yes, the Sawhorse cheated on his math.
 
2) Nathan, what does _Wooglet_ say about why the Wogglebug didn't get
stomach pains?  He started from 0.5 as well.
 
Aaron Solomon (ben Saul Joseph) Adelman
adelman at ymail.yu.edu         North Antozian Systems and The Martian Empire

Date: Tue, 01 Apr 97 21:18:56 (PST)
From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com>
Subject: Ozzy Things
 
MANY "GUMPS":
No one has mentioned Forrest Gump yet! :)
 
Gump: Actually, Forest Gump is the wood where my species lives... :)
 
 
FROM _WIZARD_ TO _LAND_:
Our BCF discussion has kind of made a nice smooth transition on its
own from _Wizard_ to _Land_ without official announcement from me...
I hope it is always like this... :)
 
I now have a very important _Land_-related question...What ***DID*** the 
Wogglebug say???? :)
 
                               -- Dave

Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 10:34:14 -0600
From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
 
Dave:
I am mightily impressed with your use of programming language to set up the
complicated maneuver of counting by two's from one to seventeen.  Still, the
question remains of establishing 1 as the initial integer in a progression
that proceeds by two's.  Doubling 1/2 actually sets up a different series
than the one the Sawhorse comes up with, if you follow the old rule that
Rich (?? you didn't sign your name) cited:
 
>I have always assumed, even from childhood, that the Sawhorse's logic
>in counting seventeen by two's fossilizes an old school rote formula
>that runs:  "Counting by twos:  two, twice two is four, six, eight,
>ten....".  
 
According to this formula, you could indeed reach 17 as follows:  "Counting
by twos:  one-half, twice one-half is one, two, three, four, five, six, . .
. seventeen."
 
Also Dave:
I was referring to Forrest Gump when I wrote "a much more recent Gump";
guess I shouldn't have been so oblique.
 
Danny:
I agree with you about Jinjur's brand of feminism.  Any true feminist would
cringe at these totally unreconstructed women with their love of chocolates
and caramels, their fear of mice, their knitting needles, their laziness,
their uncontrolled greed for jewelery.  Jinjur's plans for doing away with
the Woggle-Bug (death by cooking--turning him into a spicy goulash) is
further evidence of her inability to get beyond conventional feminine
thinking.  All this is a far cry from the women who struggled with great
courage and dignity, and often at considerable personal risk, to secure
women's right to vote.  Since Baum had close associations with the
suffragette movement, he must have created Jinjur as an awful example of how
*not* to go about securing women's rights.  Still, it's unfortunate that his
characterization of Jinjur played (plays) right into the hands of those who
would dismiss the feminist movement as a peevish and petty revolt against
the natural order of things.
 
Incidentally, here is how Baum describes Jinjur's uniform:  ". . . her
silken waist being of emerald green and her skirt of four distinct
colors--blue in front, yellow at the left side, red at the back and purple
at the right side."  We later hear that the green waist represents the
Emerald City and the other sections refer to the colors of the four
quadrants of Oz.  Yes, but!  If blue, representing the Eastern quadrant of
the Munchkins, is in front, then yellow, representing the Western Winkies,
should be in back, not on the left; purple, representing the northern
Gillikins, should be on the left side, not the right; and red, representing
the southern Quadlings, should be on the right side, not in back.  Perhaps
Baum was suggesting that Jinjur is as wrongheaded about Oz geography as she
is about everything else.
 
On the Wizard's "suspicious" action of eating beans with a knife:  I'm
curious to know whether the younger members of the Digest have heard about
that rule of etiquette that warns you against using a knife to eat beans or
peas.  I remember being very puzzled about that rule when I was growing up.
It apparently means that you shouldn't use the knife to shovel the beans or
peas onto your fork instead of daintily lifting them up with the fork alone.
It's amusing that the Wizard's disregard for this rule marks him as a person
of potentially questionable character--but does anyone take the rule
seriously these days?  Or even know about it?
 
--Gordon Birrell

Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 11:34:40 -0800
From: ozbot <ozbot at ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 03-31-97
 
WHEN I WAS SEVENTEEN
Hm.  I had the same experience with feeling uncomfortable with the
Sawhorse's counting stradegy.  As a kid, I was excited beacuse I thought I
figured out the "secret" behind the wishing pills-- "just start counting at
ONE" my mind was shouting happily.  Then they started counting at one-half,
and I was a little disappointed.  Kind of like picking the wrong suspect in
an Agatha Christie novel, which I also seem to do more often than not. 
 
Danny

Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 21:25:39 -0500
From: Richard Bauman <RBauman at compuserve.com>
Subject: Today's Oz Growls
 
Bob - I thought Gump came from gumption in Sidney Smiths strip, "The
Gumps."  Your dictionary is much bigger than mine.  In any event, I think
"The Gumps" started in February 1916, long after our BCF was written.  
 
The Land of Oz
 
p.16 "Mombi met a crooked wizard who resided in a lonely cave in the
mountains."  Now there's a story line for someone. 
p. 35 The color thing - everything is purple - grass, trees, houses, fences
- Yuk!  I have a hard time with purple asparagus.   
p. 79 Here is the answer to one question.  There is only one language in Oz.  
p. 154 Now why would Baum give tailors nine lives?  Curious?
p. 262 Apparently the "Deadly Desert" wasn't at this time, because they all
walked around in it. 
p. 276 Another question answered: "All down her back (Ozma's) floated
tresses of ruddy gold." 
 
The "author's note" is interesting.  The book was launched by 1000 little
letters from 1000 little girls.  
 
It is interesting that Baum changed a fairy girl into a boy in "The
Enchanted Island of Yew" which came out in 1903.  He must have liked the
idea as he changed Ozma into a boy in 1904 in our BCF.  
 
Now it will be three more years before "Ozma of Oz" comes out in 1907.
 
Regards, Bear  (:<)

Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 21:31:44 -0500
From: Tyler Jones <tylerjones at compuserve.com>
Subject: Oz
 
Explanations:
While it is fun to figure out clever explanations for things which seem odd,
such as the Scarecrow mentioning that Glinda still controlls the Winged
Monkeys via the Golden Cap, (and I do this more than anybody), most of the
time, it can probbaly be safely assumed that someone (be it the character,
the informer, the narrator or the publisher) simply made a mistake. Nobody
gets every detail right every time, after all. Not even me :-) (I now wait
patiently for the lightning to strike).
 
more counting triviata:
Well, there is usually a zero at the beginning of sequences when computers
are concerned, but Tip may not have known this.
 
--Tyler Jones

Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 23:14:26 -0800
From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
 
Aaron:
_Wooglet_ suggests that it was the Wogglebug's strong stomach that 
allowed him to swallow the pill without a pain.
-- 
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
lnvf at grove.iup.edu or vovat at geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/

Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 11:11:28 -0800
From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
 
On the Jackdaws' Nest:
All right.  Here's something that actually pertains to our BCF.  Where do
people think the jackdaws' nest is located?  Haff and Martin place it in
Aurissau, while Pendexter (in _Wooglet_) suggests that it is in New
Mexico.  The Scarecrow thinks that the Gump has flown into the Great
Outside World, but there is a possibility that it flew to another part of 
Nonestica, with which the Scarecrow was unfamiliar.  It is true that the 
nest contains dollar bills, but, according to "The Queen of Quok," Quok, 
which is placed not far from the jackdaws' nest by Haff and Martin, uses 
dollars and cents as currency.  The many treasures in the nest would be 
more likely to exist in Nonestica than in the Outside World.  Anyway, 
what do you think?  Also, why did the Ozites seem to recognize the dollar 
bills as money, when there is no indication that Oz ever used paper 
money?
-- 
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
lnvf at grove.iup.edu or vovat at geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/

Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:54:25 -0500 (EST)
From: DavidXOE at aol.com
Subject: Ozzy Digests, 03-28 thru 03-31-97
 
 
 
3/28:
Scott H.:
In the color plates of my BoW edition of WIZARD, Dorothy appears to be more
of a redhead than anything else. Not flaming red, but sort of chestnut.
Definitely not what I think of as brunette (which would be like Ozma in the
later books).
 
Danny:
The Woggle-bug character isn't supposed to be liked. That's not his function
in any of the books where he appears. (Including the one I've written.) But I
enjoy writing about what a friend on GEnie (back in the good old days of
GEnie) referred to as "pain-in-the-ass characters". That's why my first three
Oz novels have centered on Bungle, Eureka, and the Professor. Some others
that fall into that category include Button-Bright, Queen Ann, Quox, Bilbil
(but unfortunately he had a personality change when he was disenchanted), the
Frogman, Red Reera, and Kabumpo. None of them are at all evil, even in the
mild Ozzy sense, but they all have personality flaws that make them
frequently annoying.
 
It's true that the Woggle-bug is largely superfluous to the story of LAND (as
you point out, the only significant act he does is to swallow the wishing
pill, and it would have had no effect on the story if Tip hadn't gotten
cramps from it); he was clearly added with the projected stage production in
mind.
 
3/30:
Gordon:
I agree with the person who said that the Scarecrow simply forgot that Glinda
had said she'd give the King of the Winged Monkeys the Golden Cap after he'd
granted her wishes. Though I suppose it's possible that the King thought it
would be safer with Glinda than anywhere else he could store it; presumably
destroying it isn't feasible.
 
The absence of the Lion is probably due to the fact that the Scarecrow and
Tin Woodman dominated the stage play (in the persons of Stone and
Montgomery), so they were the only major characters from the first book to
reappear in the second - which, as several people have remarked, was clearly
written as the basis for another play. Note that the only "normal" animals
that appear in LAND are the field mice; animals are harder to use on stage.
(Or, from the Oz-as-history point of view, the Lion didn't appear in LAND
because that was the way it happened!)
 
Nathan:
The phrase Baum used about Ozma's hair was "tresses of ruddy gold." Oddly, he
said her lips were "tinted like a tourmaline," which is pretty ambiguous.
bluish-green. If he wanted to avoid the cliched "ruby" I'd have thought he'd
have chosen "garnet" or some other gem that's characteristically red or pink.
 
3/31:
Bob:
The Gumps of the comics certainly don't date back to 1825. It's a fairly
early comic strip, but it started, as nearly as I can figure from my source,
in 1911 or 1912. (So if there's any connection, it's Baum's Gump that
inspired the comic Gumps and not vice versa. It's not impossible; "The Gumps"
got its start in the Chicago Tribune.) Actually, though, Andy Gump wasn't
particularly foolish, and his Uncle Bim Gump was a billionaire.
 
Tyler:
I don't remember if THE WINGED MONKEYS mentioned the Golden Cap, but it
certainly isn't used to command them in that book.
 
Dave:
The Woggle-bug said a great many things, but the question was asked in
connection with QUEER VISITORS, not LAND.
 
David Hulan

Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 15:57:09 -0500 (EST)
From: sahutchi at cord.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-02-97
 
I think it is interesting to think about jinjur in modern terms.  she is a
sort of "feminazi," a radical feminist insistent upon getting even with
men.  This is the reason, I believe, Baum portrays her this way,
suggesting that a 180- is as wrongheaded as anything else.  There are some
feminists like that today, and some of them are the loudest.  I think he
showed quite a bit of foresight in his parody.
Scott

Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:06:52 -0500
From: Tyler Jones <tylerjones at compuserve.com>
Subject: Oz
 
Gordon:
Your analysis of Jinjur's skirt is an interesting parallel to Edmund and
Eustace commenting that girls lack an understanding of geography.
 
I can dimly remember my grandmother admonishing me not to use my knife to
scoop up food onto my fork, but I haven't thought of it in about 20 years.
 
--Tyler Jones

Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 21:16:41 -0500 (EST)
From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu>
Subject: The Table Manners of the Wizard (Ozzy Digest)
 
1) Gordon, there's a rule against using the knife to put peas and beans
onto the fork?
 
3) Bear, concerning your notes on _Land_,
        1) Dr. Pipt in _Patchwork Girl_ says he is the Crooked Magician
who gave Mombi the Powder of Life.  I presume that either he was living in
the Gillikin Country at the time or Mombi lied about her destination and
walked (or self-transformed into a bird and flew) to the Gillikin-Munchkin
border.
        2) Purple food may be unpalatable, but blue food is really
unnatural.  Considering that the national coloration isn't always present
on things like trees, grass, and mud, maybe it varies with the magic flux.
        4) Why shouldn't tailors have nine lives?
        6) An solution to the problem of Ozma's changing hair coloring
will appear in _Woozy_.
 
Aaron Solomon (ben Saul Joseph) Adelman
adelman at ymail.yu.edu         North Antozian Systems and The Martian Empire

Date: Thu, 03 Apr 97 00:01:16 (PST)
From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com>
Subject: Ozzy Things
 
Nathan wrote:
>All right.  Here's something that actually pertains to our BCF.  Where do
>people think the jackdaws' nest is located?    Haff and Martin place it in
>Aurissau, while Pendexter (in _Wooglet_) suggests that it is in New
>Mexico...
 
If the IWOC map says Aurissau, I go along...I don't think any of the party,
being all magical beings except Tip, could have survived beyond Nonestica...
 
Now that our BCF is _Land_, I want to ask one of the "biggies" of Ozzy
problems...Are Nikidik and Dr.Pipt the same bloke or not????? :)
 
 
                             -- Dave

Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 09:37:34 -0800
From: "Stephen J. Teller" <steller at pittstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-03-97
 
> Bob:
> The Gumps of the comics certainly don't date back to 1825. It's a fairly
> early comic strip, but it started, as nearly as I can figure from my source,
> in 1911 or 1912. (So if there's any connection, it's Baum's Gump that
> inspired the comic Gumps and not vice versa. It's not impossible; "The Gumps"
> got its start in the Chicago Tribune.) Actually, though, Andy Gump wasn't
> particularly foolish, and his Uncle Bim Gump was a billionaire.
> 
All right:
 
From the Oxford Enlgihs Dictionary (original edition):
 
"Gump  . . . dial and U.S.  A foolish person, a dolt.  [Earliest
citation] 1825 JAMIESON, Suupl., Gump, a numskull; a term most generally
applied to a female, conveying the idea a great stupidity."
 
Steve T.

Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 20:59:19 -0500
From: Tyler Jones <tylerjones at compuserve.com>
Subject: Oz
 
Aaron and Dave:
Somebody wrote an article in the _Bugle_ concerning the identity of Dr. Pipt
and Dr. Nikidik. Some think that they are the same person, and that Dr.
Nikidik, for some unknown reason, had to flee the Gillikin country and
change his name. Others suggest that Pipt merely got the box from another
wizard, never noticed the false bottom, and traded it away to Mombi. I
favor the latter theory.
 
Jackdaw's Nest:
For pretty much the same reasons as Dave, it is highly likely that the nest
was in Nonestica just the other side of the desert.
 
--Tyler Jones

Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 20:11:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-02-97
 
LAND: Baum's chauvinistic description of Jinjur was apparently meant as 
an affectionate dig at his mother-in-law, a major in the suffragette 
movement. 

Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 20:33:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-03-97
 
David: Tourmaline comes in a red variety (Rubellite). Perhaps that's what 
Baum was thinking.
--Robin

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 97 23:10:21 
From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com>
Subject: Ozzy Things
 
Could Nikidik and Pipt be related, like father-son or something?
 
                             -- Dave

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 07:40:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-04-97
 
Nikidik/Pipt: There are several references in the FF indicating that they
are one and the same person. All I remember now is that they deal with
who Mombi got the Powder of Life from.
 
--Robin

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:47:27 +0500
From: rri0189 at ibm.net
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-04-97
Content-id: <23_78_1_860161647>
 
1) Since no one seems to remember old St. Wapniacl any more....
 
State
Treasury
 
War
Attorney General
Postmaster General
Navy
Interior
Agriculture
Commerce
Labor
 
...the names (for most of the first half of this century) of the cabinet
departments in order of their creation, and therefore the order of
succession after the Vice-President.  (The provision inserting the
Speaker of the House and the President Pro-tem of the Senate before
the cabinet is also recent.)
 
2) I always supposed the mishmash of "Land" and "Ozma" that is "Return"
was a (more or less) honorable attempt by Disney to get past the -- errr
-- unsuitable character of Jinjur while still leaving the state of affairs
at the end suitable for further films along canonical lines.
 
// John W Kennedy -- Hypatia Software -- "The OS/2 Hobbit"

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:36:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: ozzy digest
 
David Hulan: As you say, Denslow didn't draw Dorothy as either blonde or 
brunette.  (Dictionary definition of brunette is not brown-haired but 
dark-brown-haired.)  I suppose "chestnut" is a reasonable description, 
although I think of chestnut as more of a distinctly "red" (which in hair 
terms is more like orange) shade.  Denslow's Dorothy looks to me more like 
a "Jeanie with the light brown hair" shade.  On tourmaline -- it looks as 
if Baum must have been familiar mainly with the pink kind.  There's a 
Tourmaline among the Pinks in "Sky Island," I think.
 
Scott Hutchins: Before comparing Jinjur to "feminazis," you need to find 
some to compare her to.  The term was invented as a pejorative, and as it 
is actually used, it means any "feminist" and expresses the user's 
discomfort with the theory that women should be paid comparably to men for 
comparable work and that society should try to get set up to make it 
possible for both women and men to participate in both raising families and 
in earning livings.Most feminists do want to "get even" with men in that 
sense, but you presumably mean "get even" in the sense of "pay back 
oppression with equal oppression."  Who are these "loud" examples you have 
in mind, and have you read what they wrote, or are you going on summaries 
by biased observers?  As Gordon Birrell said, it is unfortunate that Baum's 
characterization of Jinjur played and plays "into the hands of those who 
would dismiss the feminist movement as a peevish and petty revolt against 
the natural order of things."  (By the way, you asked for suggestions on 
what happened to Jinjur's husband, as he isn't seen in later books.  
There's no reason why anything should have happened to him.  He doesn't 
even need to be off on a journey or divorced, the suggestions Tyler Jones 
mentioned.  He is, obviously, a quiet fellow, and is probably still there 
and still inclined to avoid getting involved in active sorts of activities.)
 
Gordon Birrell on why Jinjur's uniform does not arrange the Oz colors 
geographically: Possibly she was thinking aesthetically (she is 
characterized in later books as something of an artist), and thought blue 
and purple looked better separated by red and yellow, rather than having 
two cool colors together and two warms.
 
Dave Hardenbrook on whether Dr. Pipt and Dr. Nikidik are the same person: 
Sure, why not?  Going on foot from mid-north-Gillikin country to a 
Munchkinland destination may seem to call for a longer time en route than 
it took Mombi, but, as Aaron pointed out, the magician might have been 
living in the Gillikin country at the time, or Mombi might have gone part 
of the way by magic.  It's been suggested that he changed his name from 
Nikidik to Pipt (possibly in staging a supposed death, as he was reported 
dead in "Road").  But I'm inclined to think that his full name was Nikidik 
Pipt, and that he didn't stage his death, but just moved (out of the 
Gillikin country?) on short notice and was supposed dead.  He might have 
moved, as has been suggested, in hopes of avoiding Ozma's ban on 
unauthorized magic, but it might have been something unrelated.  (Possibly 
he worried that dealing with Mombi was a dangerous sort of occupation, and 
he headed out of Gillikin territory about the same time Tip did, and for a 
similar reason?)
 
Ruth Berman

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 08:43:46 -0600
From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
 
More on eating beans with a knife:
Margaret Visser takes up this problem in _The Rituals of Dinner_ (Harper
Collins, 1991).  Turns out that the fork as we know it today was relatively
late to evolve; the earlier version, still in widespread use in the
nineteenth century, resembled the carving fork of today, with just two
widely spaced tines. The late-nineteenth-century table knife, on the other
hand, generally had a wide blade, rounded at the end and shaped like a
spatula--unlike the tapered knives of today (you can still see this shape in
old flatware sets).  Visser refers to the "fork revolution" that occurred
when the modern model with four tines was introduced in the nineteenth
century:  at that point it became possible to pick up the food and
gracefully bring it to one's mouth without the danger of grievous bodily
injury (as would be the case with the old fork) or the appearance of
shovelling the food into one's mouth (as would be the case if you piled up
the beans--not green beans, but baked beans--on the flat knife).  As a
result of the ongoing etiquette war between the fork and the knife, the
knife was eventually demoted to a cutting function only, and people like
Emily Post were quite firm in stating that the knife should never be used
for any other function, such as piling food onto the fork, and should never
under *any* circumstances be actually brought to the mouth.
 
So the Wizard, by eating beans with his knife, would be revealing his
ignorance of the new polite and sophisticated table manners.  My hunch is
that rural America held on to the old ways much longer than the city folk,
and that's why it's amusing that the Scarecrow, in all innocence, attempts
to defend the Wizard's eating habits by saying "Maybe that's the polite way
to eat in Omaha."
 
--Gordon Birrell  

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 10:12:04 -0500 (EST)
From: CrNoble at aol.com
Subject: Ozzy Digest
 
David:
 
I agree that Dorothy appears to have chestnut colored hair in the BoW
_Wizard_ color plates.  My dictionary describes chestnut as a "reddish
brown."  However, I've always divided the world into blondes, brunettes and
redheads, and I have (perhaps mistakenly) classified all brown-haired people
as brunettes.  Since chestnut is a reddish brown and not a brownish red, I
consider Denslow's Dorothy to be a brunette.  In any event, she's certainly
not a blonde.
 
I raised this issue in the first place because I was wondering why Neill
changed Ozma's hair color between _Land_ and _Ozma_.  The only explanation
I've ever heard was that he did it in order to prevent confusion when drawing
Ozma next to Dorothy.  I simply pointed out that if Neill had kept Dorothy's
dark hair, he wouldn't have had to change Ozma's light hair.  The most
plausible explanation to me is that Neill originally drew Ozma in _Land_ as a
blonde because blondes were considered more beautiful.  Then when it was time
to draw Dorothy in _Ozma_, he made her a blonde for the same reason.  Later
when he had to picture them together, he must have decided to switch Ozma's
hair color -- perhaps because the red poppies in her hair would contrast more
attractively if she were a brunette.
 
_Land of Oz_:
 
I'll add my voice to the chorus confused about counting to 17 by 2's.  I must
have thought I would look stupid if I admitted to not understanding what must
be simple to a child.  So I said nothing.  Instead, I showed my spoiled
pumpkinhead by asking the obvious question about Jack's head!
 
Craig Noble

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 12:43:21 -0500 (EST)
From: DavidXOE at aol.com
Subject: Ozzy Digests
 
4/2:
Gordon:
I don't know about a "rule" about using a knife to shovel one's peas or beans
onto the fork - to be honest, the idea never occurred to me. Or maybe I tried
it once when I was too young to remember and was told so firmly not to that
it's become a repressed memory. Do people use knives to push beans onto a
fork? Seems awkward to me - either I have to eat left-handed or the knife and
fork are in the wrong hands.
 
Bear:
Most asparagus has a purplish cast at the tips.
 
I suspect that Baum's giving tailors nine lives may be an allusion to the
saying, "Nine tailors make a man." My memory on the subject is rather vague
at this point, but I believe that in English villages it was customary to
ring the largest church bell nine times to mark the death of an adult male
(there were different numbers of rings for females and children), and that
the largest bell (if there was more than one) was called the "tailor". (That
was the origin of the title of Dorothy Sayers' classic mystery centered
around bell-ringing, THE NINE TAILORS.) That, at least, would be where I'd
start researching if I wanted to determine why Baum associated nine lives
with tailors as opposed to some other occupation.
 
It's possible that the Great Sandy Waste along the southern border of Oz
wasn't as deadly as the Deadly Desert along the western border; that's the
only one that's definitely recorded as destroying all living flesh to touch
it. I don't think there's even evidence that the GSW gives off toxic fumes,
as we know the Shifting Sands to the east and the Impassable Desert to the
north do (from MAGIC and SILVER PRINCESS respectively).
 
4/3:
Nathan:
I agree with Haff and Martin (and Dave); the jackdaws' nest is almost
certainly on the continent of Nonestica. First, as Dave says, it's unlikely
that any of the adventurers but Tip would survive in the Great Outside World.
Second, they simply didn't fly long enough - the Gump isn't that fast (we
know that he flies slower than the Sawhorse runs).
 
Me:
A line got lost in my comment about Baum's description of Ozma's lips. It
should have read:
"Oddly, he said her lips were 'tinted like a tourmaline,' which is pretty
ambiguous. Tourmalines come in a variety of colors, and in fact most I've
seen were bluish-green."
 
David Hulan

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 14:28:17 -0800
From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
 
Tyler:
According to Fred Otto's short story "The Wogglebug's New Clothes," which 
appeared in the 1987 (I think) Oziana, the tailor's name is Stichwell J. 
Threadneedle.
 
Robin:
Apparently Baum had been familiar with a pinkish sort of tourmaline, 
since he made Tourmaline the Queen of the Pinkies in _Sky Island_.
-- 
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
lnvf at grove.iup.edu or vovat at geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 13:35:33 -0700
From: Tyler Jones <Tyler at apprentice.com>
Subject: Oz
 
BCF:
 
I notice that in _Land_ when our friends escape from the Emerald City and head to the
Tin Woodman's castle, Baum describes that the castle is near a small town. There is
Even a small illo of it in the chapter heading. I am at the office right now, so I can't
Refer to the book, and I forgot if Baum mentioned that the castle was in the town or
Next to it.
 
I am working under the assumption that at this time the Woodman was still living in
The old castle of the WWW. According to the non-FF _Tin Castle_, the tin castle is
Built soon after this story.
 
This town was not mentioned in WIZARD, but the arrival and departure was not under
Normal terms, so perhaps Baum did not need to mention it.
 
Can anybody remember if this town has been mentioned anywhere else in or out of the
FF? In Farmer's and Laumer's non-HACCurate writings, this town is referred to as Winkiezia.
Aaron, I believe, is also using this name in his magic machine series.
 
--Tyler Jones

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 18:21:14 -0500 (EST)
From: DavidXOE at aol.com
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 04-04-97
 
Nathan:
My feeling is that Nikidik and Pipt are two different people, but that Pipt
was the one who made the Powder of Life in all three books where it appears,
even though the way it works is different in each book. (In LAND there's the
Weaugh-Teaugh-Peaugh incantation, with gestures, much like the charm on the
Golden Cap. In ROAD Dyna has to wish her bear alive. In PATCHWORK GIRL the
powder just has to be sprinkled.) There's no evidence at all that Pipt has
the level of magical power that would let him create Nikidik's Wishing Pills,
and quite a bit that he doesn't. Those pills have to be somewhere in the 7-8
range on Dave's Scale of Magic, and Pipt doesn't seem to be higher than a 5
at best.
 
Robin:
I know that tourmaline comes in a red version, and I'm sure that's what Baum
was thinking of - but it's far from the only, or even the commonest, color of
tourmaline, which makes it, as I said, ambiguous. It's as if he said "the
color of a chess piece". Sure, many sets have red men - but they all have
white, and many have other colors for the non-white side (which is
conventionally called "black").
 
David Hulan

Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 20:17:33 -0500
From: Tyler Jones <tylerjones at compuserve.com>
Subject: Oz
 
Nikidik and Pipt:
It is possible, of course, that the two are related, although there is no
evidence for it one way or the other in or out of the FF. Currently, I
favor the theory that Nikidik was another Wizard who at one time traded with
Pipt and accidentally gave a box with wishing pills to him. Pipt never
noticed and gave the box to Mombi.
 
--Tyler Jones

Date: Sat, 05 Apr 97 00:34:57 
From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com>
Subject: Ozzy Things
 
_LAND_-RELATED THOUGHTS:
 
Jellia: Let's see -- Today is Saturday, so Nikidik and Pipt must be
        one in the same today (They're two people on Mondays,
        Wednesdays and Fridays)... :)
 
I have a question concerning the Wogglebug: Could the "Highly Magnified"
Wogglebug not be the original Wogglebug, but instead a projected "shadow"
that came to life, fleshed out. and so then could step off the
screen, 'a la _The Purple Rose of Cairo_?
 
Aujah: Oh just *peachy*!  Now we have a "Two Wogglebugs" theory! :)
 
Wogglebug: Not at all! The backward arthropod from which I was projected
           was but an archaic insect, whereas *I* am "Highly Magnified"
           and "Thoroughly Educated"!
 
                             -- Dave

Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 08:08:09 -0800 (PST)
From: earlabbe at juno.com (Earl C. Abbe)
Subject: Ozzy Digest Submission
 
I note that in _Land_, the Wogglebug is not "the Wogglebug," but "the
Woggle-Bug."  By _Emerald City_, if not before, that had been changed to
its current form.
  
Dave, your two Wogglebug theory expressed in the 4/4 Digest is ingenious.
 If Professor Nowitall's "famous magnifying-glass" operates on strictly
optical principles, then the original, unmagnified Wogglebug should
still exist as an entity, separate from his highly magnified "twin."
  
Incidentally, when H.M. Wogglebug, T.E. says in your note, <Not at all!
The backward arthropod from which I was projected was but an archaic
insect, whereas *I* am "Highly Magnified" and "Thoroughly Educated"!> he
is overlooking the fact that the Wogglebug became educated in the three
years _before_ he was magnified, so his unmagnified counterpart is also T.E.

Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 08:44:40 -0800 (PST)
From: earlabbe at juno.com (Earl C. Abbe)
Subject: Ozzy Digest Submission Addendum
 
Correction:  Dave's two Wogglebug theory is in the 4/5 Digest, not the
4/4.
 
And speaking of the 4/5 Digest and of Wogglebugs, David's clear
explanation of the technique of indicating hair color in black-and-white
drawings is nicely illustrated in _Land_, in Neill's  "A Highly Magnified
History" chapter drawing of the school children viewing the
just-magnified Wogglebug.

Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 11:51:42 -0500 (EST)
From: DavidXOE at aol.com
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 04-05-97
 
Robin:
I think it essentially certain that Dr. Pipt and the crooked magician Mombi
got the Powder of Life from are one and the same, but much less so that the
latter is the same as Dr. Nikidik - for reasons expounded yesterday.
 
Ruth:
"Feminazis" is certainly a pejorative, and I haven't seen any feminists that
are an eighth as Nazi-like as people like Rush Limbaugh or Bob Dornan who use
that term freely. But there are some feminists - Andrea Dworkin is one name
that comes to mind, though I know there are others - who go beyond the point
of wanting things to be equal between the sexes to being actively anti-male.
And yes, I've read the writings of those women themselves, not just the
descriptions of them from their opponents. (Naomi Wolf's THE BEAUTY MYTH, for
instance, while making a lot of valid points, to me spoiled its argument by
attributing to conspiracy what is much more easily explained by the overall
flow of social trends.)
 
It seems necessary to explain why Jinjur's house was deserted when Woot and
companions arrived there in TIN WOODMAN if Jinjur was still married. Maybe,
since the stop was only for a few hours, his "journey" was nothing more than
a tramp to the nearest village for a loaf of bread, but he was gone for some
reason. And it seems odd that the Scarecrow, who claims to be a good friend
of Jinjur's, wouldn't remark on his absence as well as hers when they arrive
and there's nobody home. 
 
If Dr. Pipt just moved out of the Gillikin country, why did he leave some of
the Powder of Life behind for Dyna to find? I think his move had to be of the
highly urgent sort that left the impression that he had been killed, and that
required him to abandon all his possessions except what he was wearing - and
that the necessity arose while he was away from his home, or surely he'd have
taken his best magical invention with him. (There's probably a story in this,
if someone hasn't already written it.)
 
Gordon:
I've read THE RITUALS OF DINNER, but I'd forgotten that the introduction of
the four-tine fork was as late as mid-19th century. (I read it not long after
it appeared.) The fork itself was fairly recent (14-15th century time frame,
IIRC), and wasn't really practical for eating things like beans until much
later.
 
One minor addition, though - the legitimate use of the knife, in etiquette
books of a century ago, wasn't entirely limited to cutting. It was also
correctly used for spreading butter, jam, pate, and the like (although in
really fancy establishments there were special knives for these purposes).
However, it should never enter the mouth, and shouldn't be used to push food
around either.
 
Incidentally, since the Wizard probably left America in the1840s, he might
have missed the "fork revolution" . An interesting question is why Glinda and
her spies thought it was odd that he ate beans with a knife - had the "fork
revolution" started in Oz?
 
Craig:
I'm not sure that blondes were considered more beautiful in 1904. I know the
"Gibson girls" were considered the epitome of female beauty at roughly that
time, and they were almost invariably dark-haired.
 
In any case, red poppies would look a lot better on a brunette, if Neill
insisted on the poppies (which, IIRC, are never mentioned in the text of any
FF book).
 
Dave:
It must be pointed out that the Thorough Education that the Woggle-bug got
was acquired when he was a tiny bug; the High Magnification came later. But
is there still a tiny bug, somewhere in or around Professor Nowitall's
schoolhouse, with a Thorough Education? Normally when something is projected
onto a screen, the original is unaffected...
 
David Hulan

Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 22:42:25 -0500
From: Tyler Jones <tylerjones at compuserve.com>
Subject: Oz
 
Robin:
I believe that the evidence you mentioned is in _Road_. The Tin Woodman
mentions that the inventor of the powder of life was a crooked sorcerer who
fell off a precipice and was killed. Depsite this, the crooked magician who
makes the Powder of Life shows up alive and well two books later.
 
This has caused some people to speculate that Pipt and Nikidik are the same
person. Nikidik faked his own death, moved to the Blue Forest of the Munchkin
country, and changed his name.
 
Columbo: Oh, There is just one more thing...
 
If Pipt and Nikidik were the same person, then Pipt would also be the one
who invented the wishing pills. Since these are extremely powerful, it seems
reasonable to assume that Pipt would have some around his house and he could
have used those to disenchant Margolotte and Unc Nunkie immediately instead
of sending Ojo off on a trip from which he would probably never return. He
never even mentioned them.
 
This leads me to beleive that Pipt did not use or mention the pills because
he never knew about them. As for the seeming amazing coincidence about the
crooked sorcerer dying, perhaps the Tin Woodman was referring to Pipt after
all, who did fake his death for some reason, only to turn up later. Or it's
posible that Pipt and Nikidik knew each other, went on an adventure, and
met up with an accident that crippled them both.
 
The possibilities for new Oz books are endless here...
 
David:
I once theorized that the early versions of Pipt's Powder of Life was not
quite up to snuff, and so needed to incantation to help it along. Later, when
Pipt refined his technique. the powder was more powerful and did not need the
extra magic.
 
--Tyler Jones

L. Frank Baum, John R. Neill

Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:03:41 -0600 (CST)
From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: ozzy digest
 
 
Tyler Jones: The Dr. Nikidik of the wishing pills would seem to be
definitely the same person as the crooked magician who made the
Powder of Life -- Tip recognizes Dr. Nikidik as the name of the
crooked magician.  (As to why he didn't use them in "Patchwork Girl"
-- well, for one thing, not knowing the Wogglebug, he may have
thought they were indigestible and therefore worthless, and that may
have been why he packed them away in the first place and evidently
forgot about them.  Or perhaps the wishes did not work against other
magic.)  By the way, the article about the crooked magician that you
and I were referring to earlier was "The Enigma of Dr. Pipt," by Lee A.
Speth, in the "Bugle" back in 1965, and reprinted in the 65/66 "Best of
the Baum Bugle."
 
Earl Abbe: I suspect that Professor Nowitall's "famous
magnifying-glass" did not operate "on strictly optical principles.  It
sounds more like something that deserved the old name of "magic
lantern."
 
Craig Noble: Neill's decision not to draw Dorothy with the kind of
light-brown-hair shading Neill used probably grew out of a desire not
to have to draw lots of fine lines on a character who was obviously
going to be getting used regularly, and his choice of making her
fair-haired rather than dark-haired probably came from a feeling that
light-brown is closer to blonde than to dark-brown.  Having chosen
"white" for Dorothy's hair in the opening chapters of "Ozma," by default
that made Ozma herself "black."  (He may have been influenced
subconsciously by the fact that he knew Tip was Ozma, and he'd
drawn Tip as black-haired.  Baum's single reference to Ozma as
blonde, and Neill's single drawing of her as blonde evidently hadn't
sunk into his memory to compare with all those black-haired
drawings.)
 
Ruth Berman

Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:25:01 -0700
From: Tyler Jones <Tyler at apprentice.com>
Subject: Oz
 
Earl:
Interesting point. The key, of course, is whether Professor Nowitall's 
Device is purely an "opticalizer" or does it actually magnify the source?
This is similar to the discussion about Tip/Ozma.
 
--Tyler Jones

Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 16:40:44 -0500 (EST)
From: sahutchi at cord.iupui.edu
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-07-97
 
I thought Woggebug was actually transported up to the screen in a
magnified form by some magical means, since no mention is made of his
counterpart still in the room.
Scott

Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 23:00:05 -0400
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 04-04-97
 
 
>David: Tourmaline comes in a red variety (Rubellite). Perhaps that's what 
Baum was thinking.<
 
It's possible that was the only type of tourmaline Baum had ever seen and
he assumed all tourmalines were red.
 
Melody Grandy

Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 23:00:26 -0400
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 04-05-97
 
Tyler: 
>I am working under the assumption that at this time the Woodman was still living in
The old castle of the WWW. According to the non-FF _Tin Castle_, the tin castle is
Built soon after this story.<
 
In (I think) Road to Oz, the Tin Woodman says he had his new tin castle
built because the WWW's (stone?) castle was damp and likely to rust him.
 
Melody Grandy

Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 00:23:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu>
Subject: H.M. Wogglebug, T.E., of Oz
 
2) Dave, I could see H.M. Wogglebug, T.E. being akin to straw pulled from
a picture by Jinjur, though I find myself wondering whether 'real'
wogglebugs are intelligent at all.  Insects don't seem to be any smarter
in Oz than they are in this world.  (Prof. Wogglebug's memory of events
before his magnification poses no difficulty; other vivified beings, such
as the Scarecrow, Benny, Crunch, and Humpy, remember things that happened
to them before they came to life.)  On the other hand, Prof. Wogglebug
looks more like a vertebrate than an insect (noncompound eyes, four limbs,
no exoskeleton), so wogglebugs might just be tiny mammals, which would be
naturally intelligent in Oz.
 
Aaron Solomon (ben Saul Joseph) Adelman                
adelman at ymail.yu.edu         North Antozian Systems and The Martian Empire

Date: Tue, 08 Apr 97 01:25:08
From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com>
Subject: Ozzy Things
 
TODAY'S BCF QUESTION:
One thing about _Land_ is that it develops Jellia's character, portraying
her as wonderfully sassy and mischievous!...My question is, why was this not
carried through in subsequent books...Or are there some which I haven't read
in which she is depicted as she was in _Land_?
 
Jellia: Not that *I* remember...I've had to wait for *you* Dave to portray
        me as I am! :) :)
 
                             -- Dave

Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 09:38:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: oz digest
 
Earl Abbe: I misplaced a quote mark in my comment yesterday, and it
came out sounding confusing, so I'll repeat that I suspect that
Professor Nowitall's "famous magnifying-glass" did not operate "on
strictly optical principles."  It sounds more like something that
deserved the old name of "magic lantern.
 
Dave Hardenbrook: Jellia in Thompson's "Ozoplaning" is not
mischievous, but is sassy -- in fact, is the story's heroine.
 
Ruth Berman

Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 10:37:19 -0500
From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-07-97
 
Ruth:
It's true that Tip claims to remember that Mombi had said that Nikidik
was the name of the crooked magician she had visited, but in fact Mombi
never said any such thing. I think Tip was just assuming that the two
magicians were the same.
 
Actually, there are three Neill pictures of Ozma as a blonde in LAND -
pages 277, 278, and 287 in the BoW edition. There are a few others
through the FF where her hair looks relatively light rather than its
usual black, but I doubt we should draw any major inferences from this.
(For instance, there's the picture of her near the end of TIK-TOK, where
she and Dorothy and Betsy are watching Hank and the Sawhorse "shaking
hands". All three of them seem to have similarly-colored hair. That's
one of the few illos of Ozma without poppies, too.)
 
 
David Hulan (though now that my E-mail address is my name, I might not
need to sign every time)

Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 08:54:52 -0700
From: Tyler Jones <Tyler at apprentice.com>
Subject: Oz
 
Pipt/Nikidik:
Is is reasonable to suppose that Pipt invented the pills, thought they
were useless, and hid them away. Overall, I suppose, the evidence seems
to lean in the direction of them both being the same, but I'll wait until
someone writes a story about this with a good explanation.
 
Aaron, his counterpart may not have been noticed. Clearly, the Wogglebug believes
himself to be one and only, but the little one may still be there. I still
lean to the theory that the Wogglebug was actaully moved to the screen,
since it is less likely that he could have stepped off the screen if he
was only an image.
 
Jellia:
Surely the most popular of the minor characters in the FF. She played a
sizeable role in _Ozoplaning_, but I can't remember much about how she
was portrayed.
 
--Tyler Jones

Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 22:55:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu>
Subject: _Ozoplaning with the Wizard of Oz_
 
2) Dave, Jellia Jamb gets a significant role in _Ozoplaning with the
Wizard of Oz_ (which strangely gets worse with each rereading). 
Interestingly enough, Nick Chopper's character gets strangely butchered... 
 
 
Aaron Solomon (ben Saul Joseph) Adelman
adelman at ymail.yu.edu         North Antozian Systems and The Martian Empire

Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 23:18:21 -0700
From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geociti