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| 001 [Return to index] | Subject: EMERALD Chronology |
BEFORE THE ACTION The Nome King plots to conquer Oz Henry & Em learn that the farm is to be foreclosed in 30 days - they wait several days before telling Dorothy Time passes Day 1 - Dorothy leaves Kansas permanently for Oz - "About the time Dorothy went to Ozma" the Nome King makes Guph general Day 2 - Dorothy assumes rank as Princess of Oz - Henry & Em brought to Oz - they meet the Cowardly Lion Days 3-8 - Time passes - perhaps a week, more or less During this period the Nome King extends his tunnel and Guph visits the Whimsies and the Growleywogs Day 9 - Dorothy's party begins a tour of Oz - they visit the Athletic College & Cuttenclips - Guph visits First & Foremost Phanfasm Day 10 - Party visits Fuddlecumjig - night under trees - Guph returns to Nome King to report Day 11 - Dorothy visits Utensia, Bunbury, Bunnybury - Ozma sees Nome King's tunnel in Magic Picture Day 12 - Rigmaroles & Flutterbudgets - they arrive at the Tin Woodman's Castle Day 13 - Tin Woodman tells Dorothy & party of Nome menace - they visit the Scarecrow & Jack Pumpkinhead - they arrive at the Emerald City at dusk - the Scarecrow's plan - The Nome King's allies begin their march to the EC Day 14 - The Nomes & their allies arrive at daybreak - invaders repelled - Ozma "closes" tunnel Day 15 - Glinda seals Oz off by enchantment Some time later, Baum receives a note from Dorothy |
| 002 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 08-24-97 | From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> |
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:57:14 -0400
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 08-24-97
Now that we're starting the discussion of "Emerald City of Oz" today--when
I first read it, Dorothy's move to Oz seemed a violation of the concept
"There's no place like home. (Kansas)"
"Emerald City" also proved that even Baum could not get away with certain
types of Big Changes to Oz stories..
Baum: Oz is going to be cut off from the Outside World forever. No more Oz books!
Oz Fans: NOOOOOO! YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO US! WAAAAAAAAH!
And the Fountain of Oblivion at the end could have been saved from
deux ex machina status if Baum had introduced it near the beginning of
"Emerald City of Oz"--he could have had Aunt Em & Uncle Henry come across
it on their walk through the Palace gardens & ask questions about it.
General Guph is a fine villain--he persuades the evil forces to
work for him with pure--guff! "...he was a wise old Nome, and he knew that
the best way to get along with Roquat the Red was to show that he was not
afraid of him."
We also learn that the Nome King has a Blackbird as one of his
spies. This Blackbird is the one that sees the Belt in Ozma's palace after
Dorothy leaves and reports the fact to Roquat.
It's been said before in the article about the Emerald City palace,
but it bears mentioning again--when the newly Ozified Em and Henry ask for
poorer quarters that are more in their class, Dorothy tells them ALL the
Palace rooms are as luxurious as theirs--and some even better.
Jellia: Which means *I* have luxurious quarters too! (Let's
see--looks like the emeralds in my gold bedstead need polishing again....)
:-)
"Emerald City" contains the first hint of what's to come with
Ozma--Guph mentions that she has a fairy wand. Earlier she is still called
"...the most beautiful girl the world has ever known...", Baum says that
Oz is a fairyland, so the people were fairy people, but he apparently had
not quite made up his mind to make Ozma a Fairy with a capital F yet.
Melody Grandy
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| 003 [Return to index] | Subject: ozzy digest | From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> |
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:46:10 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: ozzy digest Emerald City: David Hulan as commented in the past on how poorly it's constructed, with many irrelevant episodes. I noticed also on this read through that some of the characters even are irrelevant -- Omby Amby and Shaggy go along on the tour, but have very little to say and almost nothing to do. Billina has more to do, as she joins Toto in causing trouble in some of more vulnerable little towns, but even she doesn't have much reason to be along. I wonder if Baum originally had plans for episodes that would have involved the extra characters more, or if he chose the Red Wagon passengers on a basis of might-come-in-useful and didn't feel like revising when he got to the end and hadn't used them all. In spite of the construction problems, though, I find the comedy in the episodes amusing, and like them individually. Ruth Berman |
| 004 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-24-97 | From: CrNoble at aol.com |
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:45:34 -0400 (EDT) From: CrNoble at aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-24-97 Back to Emerald City: I *am* looking forward to rereading this, and hope to catch up with the discussion soon. EC was one of my favorites as a child. I especially liked the dual plots: Dorothy and co. traveling the countryside while the wicked Nome King tunnels below with his armies of nomes and other bad guys. I always thought Baum was at a creative peak when he dreamed up the Whimseys, Growleywogs and Phanphasms. To this day, these bad guys remain vivid in my imagination. Also, I remember as a child being utterly delighted that Aunt Em and Uncle Henry finally came to Oz. In some way it seemed to validate and even make possible my own desire to someday live in Oz and maybe marry Dorothy or Ozma. (I have been silent on this matter until now, but I finally confess to having had a sacriligious (sp?) romantic interest in one of these two lovely girls. Besotted, Craig |
| 005 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-25-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:47:40 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-25-97 Guph is indeed a fine villain. Piglet Press's tape of it (which, by the way, I highly recommend; it's _very_ well-done, even if I'd quibble at a few things) gives him a sort of Peter Lorre way of speaking, which seems to fit very well. There's a goshawk that spies for the Nome King in one of the books, too, IIRC - anybody remember which one? I don't think, though, that Guph is reliable about Oz. He puts Glinda north of the Emerald City, for instance. So I'm not sure that at that point Ozma's wand (which she definitely had as early as OZMA) had any fairy powers (or at least, any she knew how to use). Ruth: Right, Omby Amby and Shaggy don't do anything but interject an occasional comment, except for Shaggy's sneeze in the Cuttenclip village. Toto doesn't do much, either, but I guess he counts as one of the new citizens of Oz who's getting the Grand Tour, like Aunt Em and Uncle Henry and even Dorothy and the Wizard, none of whom seem to have seen most of the places they go. Actually, listening to the Piglet Press tape made me notice the number of lines Shaggy and Omby Amby had more than I ever did reading the book, since each has a distictive voice. They do talk a fair bit, though they're not really necessary. David Hulan |
| 006 [Return to index] | Subject: Today's Oz Growls | From: Richard Bauman <RBauman at compuserve.com> |
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:32:31 -0400 From: Richard Bauman <RBauman at compuserve.com> Subject: Today's Oz Growls Now on to TECOO: I would like to have some words with the previous owner (The one with the purple pen. Sigh! I wish they had numbered the color plates as I think I may be missing a couple.) p. 29 EC - 9,654 buildings, 57,318 people and .5M people in all of OZ. No disease, property, money or death. The EC always seemed smaller than that to me. I continue to be bothered by Baum's need for "slicing Crinkel" in the torture chamber and sticking pins in and pulling out hairs of Gupf. Is this necessary? p.46 Here we have Glinda "north of the EC." p. 71 Dave - All the male chickens are named Dan! By the way, at this time there were 1+11+86+300 chickens in the EC. Since they can't die there are now 666 squadrillion and two. p.81 In the non-PC line we have the pictures of Growleywogs. They certainly look like skinny Indians to me. p.88 It is refreshing to be reminded that there was once something called the "Protestant Work Ethic." This will probably come as a real shock to some of our younger members. Yes, there was a time when people really wanted to work and didn't feel the government owed them a living without any effort of their own. p.149 It is not allowed to kill and eat chickens but it is allowed to eat eggs, thus effectively killing potential chickens. Now where have I heard this thinking applied? p.201 Charles Dodgson wrote "Alice In Wonderland" in the 1860s if IRC. Does Bunnybury strike anyone as similar to Wonderland? p.236 Ah Rigamaroles. Anyone know any of them? p. 242 I never realized the source of current Liberal thought, but reading about the Flutterbudgets really makes it plain. Think how many things our governments are trying to protect us from that are only possibilities. Asbestos, all kinds of injuries, floods, global warming, the list is endless. I remember when New York created a Rat Abatement Department. Observers felt this would guarantee that NY had rats forever, else there would be no reason for the department. p. 290 This makes it clear that Oz is in our world as otherwise airships could not overfly it. p. 292 Refering to Glinda's book: "As soon as an event takes place, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, it is immediately found printed in my Magic Book." More evidence that Oz is in our world. P. 295-6 Well here our author tries to end the series. Or, was this a marketing ploy? Now we know the source of "Live Long And Prosper!" Regards, Bear |
| 007 [Return to index] | Subject: for Oz digest | From: Douglas or Lori Silfen <Duglor at connectnet.com> |
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:58:30 -0700
From: Douglas or Lori Silfen <Duglor at connectnet.com>
Subject: for Oz digest
My take on EMERALD CITY OF OZ......
************SPOILER ALERT FOR REST OF MY NOTE*********************
The mustering of the villains by General Guph is fascinating.
It is the best aspect of the book IMO. Baum does a good job describing
the villains as well as fleshing out the characters of the Nome kingdom.
The way Aunt Em and Uncle Henry come to Oz is quite charming, but
after that, Dorothy and friends travel to misc. place after misc.
place and it gets a bit boring. My favorite misc. place is the place
where Dorothy has to put the inhabitants back together. The town
of the buns and doughnuts, etc is poor in my opinion.
The ending is kind of strange because Ozma was able to destroy
the Nome King's tunnel. I wonder why she didn't destroy it when
their were no villains in it, just before their assault. She was
monitoring the magic picture, so I thought it was odd that she
didn't act before the villains made it to Oz.
An average Oz book for me. Maybe a bit under average. Thank Ozma
that the great books 7,8,9,11,13, and 14 follow!!!
Doug Silfen
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| 008 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest stuff (sort of) | From: ozbot <ozbot at ix.netcom.com> |
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:58:51 -0700 From: ozbot <ozbot at ix.netcom.com> Subject: Ozzy Digest stuff (sort of) Suspence and EC-- An interesting Hitchcockian element in EC: Hitchcock describes the difference between suspence and surprise by liking it to a bomb going off-- if it just goes off in the middle of a dinner conversation, then it's too much of a surprise and leaves audiences confused. Suspence, on the other had, lets the audience see the bomb under teh dinner table during the conversatino, and suddenly the audience is hanging on every word. The same with EC-- the travels through Oz become more and more interesting only because we readers see the mounting threat. Danny |
| 009 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-27-97 | From: Bob Spark <bspark at pacbell.net> |
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:36:03 -0700
From: Bob Spark <bspark at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-27-97
Bear, Flutterbudgetism is in the eye of the beholder. I suppose that
polio would be one of the "only perceived" perils that the government is
protecting us against until you actually contract it. We all can't be
ruggedly individualistic militia members.
Now, on to _Emerald City_:
There are many references to King Roquat's army. Their proficiency
in warmaking is extolled. Do we know of any other wars, raids, forays,
etc. that they have participated in?
On page 54, when Aunt Em and Uncle Henry have first been
transported to Oz, Aunt Em is described as having her calico dress skirt
"tucked up". What is this exactly? I have a picture in mind of her
skirts tucked into the top of her panties (would that be the word used
to describe Aunt Em's underthings?). I'm sure that concept couldn't be
right, but don't know what it means.
Tunnels. These Nomes are proficient at tunneling. They construct
an enormous tunnel all the way to the center of OZ. What happens to all
the material that they excavate? It has to go somewhere.
Billina's chicks. All named "Dorothy" and "Daniel". Reminds me of
George Foreman. He named all his sons and his dog "George" so they could
all be called to dinner at the same time.
The idea of shoeing the sawhorse with gold. Gold is not
particularly hard or long-wearing. Wouldn't something else have been
more appropriate?
While in Bunbury Dorothy defends Toto and Billina for eating the
inhabitants.
> Toto and Billina can't be 'spected to go hungry when the town's full of good things
> they like to eat, 'cause they can't understand your stingy ways
"Stingy ways", indeed. The inhabitants had been more that accommodating.
Another example of Dorothy' propensity for invading perfectly innocuous
places and wreaking havoc. Kind of a Baumian "manifest destiny".
The Tin Woodman having himself nickle plated. Is nickle
particularly lustrous? When I look at the five cent pieces in my pocket
they look dull.
Now to a statement that really bothers me. On page 80:
> It seems unfortunate that strong people are usually so disagreeable and
overbearing > that no one cares for them. In fact, to be different from
your fellow creatures is
> always a misfortune.
Firstly, the statement about "strong people" is not born out by my
experience. Strong people mostly seem to me to be easier to get along
with because they feel secure. Perhaps Baum was the model for Charles
Atlas' "before" example. Maybe he got sand kicked in his face at some
beach.
The second part about the misfortune of being different is
offensive to me. Maybe at the time this was written children were
forced to conform and Bear's "rugged individualism" was not a virtue. I
doubt it. We should value people's differences. Indeed, on page
137-138 Baum has the Lord High Chigglewitz saying "Madam, you have
perhaps noticed that every person has some peculiarity. Mine is to
scatter myself. What your own peculiarity is I will not venture to say;
but I shall never find fault with you whatever you do".
Bob Spark
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| 010 [Return to index] | Subject: ozzy digest | From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> |
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:54:01 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: ozzy digest Douglas Silfen: Some possible explanations for why Ozma didn't close up the Nome King's tunnel before the invasion instead of after -- the Phanfasms magical abilities might have been such that they could just have opened it up again with a counter-spell; it could have taken her a while to figure out how to close it; or (combination of first two) perhaps the tunnel was magically protected (perhaps the Nomes' own magic abilities would extend that far, even after the loss of the Magic Belt?) against magical interference? There are a lot of different versions of gnomes. Tolkien called one group of his elves "gnomes"; Pope's gnomes in "The Rape of the Lock" are earth-spirits inculcating prudishness; Henry Kuttner's gnomes in "A Gnome There Was" (available in collections of Kutnner's short stories and much anthologized) are mine-inhabitants somewhat similar to Baum's Nomes, C. S. Lewis's gnomes of Bism are from the deeps of molten lava below the layers of solid rock, and so on and so on. Baum's Nomes are like other people's gnomes in not being very much like any one other person's verions of gnomes. But they're still all gnomes, and it takes more than making the pronunciation more obvious by dropping off the silent g to make a different supernatural species. (Phanfasms and Growleywogs, yes. Nomes, no.) And Baum's definition of Nomes as ones who know makes it obvious that he was thinking of them as Gnomes, as the dictionaries of his time usually derived "gnome" from the Greek "gnome" (adage, wisdom, knowledge). Ruth Berman |
| 011 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-27-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:08:38 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-27-97 Bear: I'll agree that the EC has never seemed to have the other characteristics of a city of 50,000+, though it's said to more than once in the FF. Especially in the absence of mechanized transportation that's a Big City, yet it doesn't seem to take people more than a few minutes - certainly not hours - to get from the city wall to the center. If nothing else had been said I'd have put its size in the 10-15,000 range. I think that Roquat's having Crinkle sliced up, and Blug "thrown away" (whatever that is), and Guph's beard-hair pulled out, while not strictly _necessary_, are useful in showing the evil character of those who did the acts. It's not as if there are graphic descriptions of the really fatal acts, and little kids aren't likely to be bothered by Guph's being mildly tortured, when he's been established as a nasty sort himself. I know I wasn't when I first read the book at age 7 or so. >p.88 It is refreshing to be reminded that there was once something called >the "Protestant Work Ethic." This will probably come as a real shock to >some of our younger members. Yes, there was a time when people really >wanted to work and didn't feel the government owed them a living without >any effort of their own. Your right-wing views are blinding you to reality, Bear. There have always been people who felt they were owed a living without any effort of their own (read Shaw, or Twain, for more-or-less contemporaries of Baum), and I doubt if there are many more of them now (in proportion to the population) than there were then. It's true that until this year, it was possible for someone to get a small pittance from the government without working, though trying to live on $6-800 a month for a family of three or four, or about $300 a month in the more generous states for a single, isn't something most people would do voluntarily. But a very small fraction of the population ever did that for more than short periods caused by emergencies. Other than the presence of clothed rabbits I don't see much resemblance between Bunnybury and Wonderland. >p. 242 I never realized the source of current Liberal thought, but reading >about the Flutterbudgets really makes it plain. Think how many things our >governments are trying to protect us from that are only possibilities. >Asbestos, all kinds of injuries, floods, global warming, the list is >endless. I remember when New York created a Rat Abatement Department. >Observers felt this would guarantee that NY had rats forever, else there >would be no reason for the department. NY will almost certainly have rats forever regardless; rats have adapted very nicely to living in congested urban environments. But anyhow, what's with blaming all this on Liberals (other than that you blame everything you dislike on Liberals)? I noticed that when we had a big flood here in DuPage County (65% Republican) last year, there wasn't a peep from the local politicians (100% Republican) when FEMA came in with help for the people who were flooded out. Anyhow, it's more a matter of whose ox is being gored than liberal-vs-conservative. I have a friend who makes you look liberal in most regards, but she's a horse-lover and is incensed because the government isn't preventing horses from being sold for meat. And it's conservatives who are all-out to prevent kids from being taught the evil theory of evolution in school. (Not all conservatives support that, of course, but then not all liberals support all the Byzantine government regulations you blame on them, either.) David Hulan |
| 012 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-29-97 | From: CrNoble at aol.com |
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:37:31 -0400 (EDT) From: CrNoble at aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-29-97 More on EC: It seems very odd that the students at Professor Wogglebug's college would learn Greek, Latin and "The Charge of the Light Brigade." Since when did anyone in Oz know about ancient European languages and 19th Century English literature? Were these subjects introduced by someone from the Outside World, such as the Wizard or Shaggy Man? I seriously doubt it was Dorothy or Button Bright. -- Craig |
| 013 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-29-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:08:23 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-29-97 Danny: I don't know - I think that if the point had been to have the rather idle journey of Dorothy and company through Oz punctuated by the suspense of seeing the Nome King's plot working its way to fruition, there should be some mention of said plot after they'd left the Fuddles. The whole business of the zebra and the crab, Utensia (my personal favorite bit of their travels), Bunbury, Bunnybury, Flutterbudget Center, Rigmarole Town, and everything in between is uninterrupted by any adumbration of what Roquat is up to. If Baum was trying for suspense in the Hitchcockian sense, I don't think he did a very good job of it. And welcome back - I've been wondering where you've been! Bob C.: Oz is clearly closely connected with our world, so teaching Latin and Greek makes sense, but there are a lot of strong arguments against its being physically somewhere on our world - not the least of which is, where could it be that would be consistent with events in all of the FF? Even if you restrict yourself to Baum, it's apparently within 24 hours of Kansas at a speed of no more than 70 mph (that's about the maximum speed of a tornado across the ground - in fact, that's very fast for one), or 1680 miles - probably much less, since Dorothy slept but apparently didn't get hungry on the way. That doesn't get you from Kansas into the Pacific at all (especially since tornadoes usually travel eastward), yet the Oz continent is apparently reachable from somewhere in the Pacific in OZMA. And if you get into Thompson you get even more impossible cases - Peter is washed overboard off Cape Hatteras in the Atlantic and swims to Octagon Island, which is no more than a couple of days' sail from the Oz continent. Even if Oz is magically invisible, if it's on our world it has to be _somewhere_, and there isn't any location that's consistent with all the FF. Bob S.: The Nome King's army never fights outside his realm in the FF, though it does in quite a few non-FF stories. I think that when Baum refers to Aunt Em's skirts being "tucked up" he means that she'd have taken a handful of the skirt, about where her hands would naturally grab it in a normal standing position, and pulled it up and tucked it into the belt of her apron. The skirts worn by adult women in that day were floor-length, but this wasn't really practical for anything active, so in the privacy of her own home she'd tuck them up so the skirts were only mid-calf length in front. I can remember seeing this sort of thing done in the days when long skirts were popular back around 1970, though of course there was much less dread of having an ankle (or almost anything else) seen in those days. There was the same problem of tripping over one's skirts, though. The gold shoes of the Sawhorse were probably attributable to the fact that gold was the commonest and cheapest metal in Oz. It wouldn't last terribly long, but it was easily replaced. Steel doesn't seem to be all that readily available there. I don't really want to get into arguing the morality of the Bunbury visit. It's one of my least favorite chapters in Baum, anyhow. Nickel is a metal that doesn't tarnish or corrode easily, but then so is tin. I'm not sure what the advantage of nickel-plating tin would be. Nickel is much harder than tin, but a plating wouldn't have that much effect. As for luster, I think the two materials are fairly comparable - not nearly as bright as silver or aluminum, or gold if you're not looking for the blue-green end of the spectrum, or even chromium, but brighter than iron or steel or zinc. Baum almost always extolled the virtues of being different. The passage you quote (about the Growleywogs, I think?) is very out of character for him. Maybe R&B stuck it in. Ruth: I don't think we can say that it took Ozma a while to figure out how to close the tunnel - once the idea occurred to her she seems to have known exactly what to do. However, it's obvious that Ozma wasn't thinking very clearly during most of this book; she did a whole series of dumb things, from the way she brought Uncle Henry and Aunt Em to Oz to not consulting Glinda as soon as she found out about the Nome King's invasion. What's one more? David Hulan |
| 014 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest-whenever | From: JOdel at aol.com |
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: JOdel at aol.com Subject: Ozzy Digest-whenever I think Emerald City was the last Oz book that I managed to locate and read. I was at least into college before I tracked it down. I was aware of the main action of the book, of course, (Dorothy and her aunt and uncle move to Oz permanently, and the Nome King tries to tunnel into Oz with an army of conquerors, only to be tricked into drinking from the Fountain of Oblivion once he gets there.) since both events are frequently mentioned in subsequent books. In addition, one of my cousins had a copy of the abridged version which was printed in the '40s or '50s in a very small, almost toy book format, and that at least mentioned most of the odd villages that Dorothy's party visited on their tour. When finally read, however, I found it disapointing, and it will never be a favorite. Still, there is a great deal which may be said for it and it is certainly one of Baum's more ambitious undertakings. In the first place, just to state the obvious, EC, and Patchwork Girl are probably the two longest Oz books that Baum wrote. And there is a good deal of material in them to work with. More significantly, City is also the first book in the series where he used the "multiple story line" construction which he also used to such good effect in Lost Princess and Magic, and capably, if with slightly less distinction in Tik-Tok and Glinda. Traces of this format even appear in Scarecrow, Tin Woodman and Rinnkitink, but not to the degree that one could honestly call them books with multiple story lines. The introduction of this, rather more sophisticated method of story-telling was a valuable enrichment to the series, and seems to be aimed at a (very) slightly higher reading level than that of the first five. (The same should be said for Zixi, which also makes heavy use of this form.) It is unfortunate that one of the main story lines used in City is so very trivial. I'm sorry, even though the purpose of sending the Gale family off on a tour was to get them out of the way for a while, their safari through deepest exurbia is hard to take in one lump. Any of these IEs taken individually is an amusing little time-waster, but there really needs to be something with a bit more substance to it mixed inamong them (no, Dorothy's quest for breakfast is not substantial enough). The total has the rather gaudy facination of a string of plastic pop-pearls. Decorative, and peculiar, but with no intrinsic value, and little durability. Even more difficult to accept is the reversal of North and South, spreading Glinda's influence into the Giliken Country. This seems just plain sloppy, and unforgivable in that it could have been so easily corrected with even minimally competent copy editing. (Question, was series writing typically this disjointed at the turn of the century? Is Baum an exception, or --possibly-- a model of continuity for his day?) There are a few notable elements to this part of the story. We see a bit of the Lion's sense of humor in his meeting with Aunt Em. McGraw picked up on this a bit in Merry-Go-Round, but neither Thompson, nor the other Historians seem to have exploited the possibilities much. Toto is being a bone-headed dog, as usual (must be a terrier, as illustrated, although I'm not sure Neil got the breed right) there begins to be an ugly undertone to this behavior when you later "discover" that by this point in time he was perfectly capable of understanding everything that was going on around him, and consiously CHOSE to behave like a dumb beast, even to the extent of devouring sentient beings when the opportunity arose, and refusing to communicate, even to Dorothy, in an unambiguous manner. Billena as in Ozma, is still clearly an adult, but just as clearly not a human adult. She a hen, one who enjoys luxury when it is offered, but holds no real apreciation for civility, or some of its more sophisticated concepts (like giving your children individual names). As was seen in the Ev henhouse, her natural belligerance is evident upon more than one occasion. Baum appears to have had a clear understanding of both chickens and dogs, at any rate. I'm less convinced that he really knew and understood cats. If he had, he might not have simply given them speech, and made them sound concieted. Cats aren't, particularly. Being predators, they seem convinced that they cannot afford to lose face, but they seem no more concieted than most other non-canines. Particularly when the speech he gave them was nowhere nearly so obvciously"feline" in their tone as Bellina's sentiant chicken sentiments are in hers. One faintly off note was struck in the story of the foundation of Bunnybury. That the country was ONLY open to ALBINO rabbits strikes an oddly white-supremecist tone, particulary give that the book was written during a period that the Klan was beginning to gather power throughout the south and Midwest. Still, it is just as in keeping with Glinda's mindset, what we've seen of it so far, that she might have given the albinos their safe, closed country in consideration of their natural disadvantages for leading life in the wild. (She may also have been letting her own national biases creep through out of admiration of their pink eyes. :->) But Baum doesn't SAY so, and one is left wondering. On the other hand, the book's other main story line, that of the Nome King's campaign to conquer Oz could hardly be inproved. This is outstanding story-telling, and, frankly, carries the rest of the book. Ozma's reaction to the threat of invasion is so bizarre that I find it difficult to swallow. Clearly this is supposed to demonstrate to the reader that good will always triumph, and need not stoop to the level of its enemies to do so, but while salvation as an act of faith makes for very fine theology, it seems a little out of place under the circumstances. Ozma's reaction to the situation reads more like a conviction that of course no one would ever want to harm HER people, would they? Or even an idea that if her enemy would not listen to sweet reason, there was nothing to do but surrender with a good grace. This is so gross a departure in outlook from the haughty child queen who set out with an army of 27 officers to conquer the Nome King and rescue his royal prisoners (let alone the attitudes of that little scamp Tip) that I flatly cannot believe it. While I can certainly accept that Ozma will have seen and understood the futility of attempting resistance with an army of one, that she should be seen to be taking no particular magical measures either is incomprehensible. (She could at least have had the love magnet fetched from the City gates to wear to meet the invaders.) It is as though she has gone so far to the other behavioral extreme as to have slipped all connection to reality. Butch up a LITTLE, dearie... |
| 015 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-31-97 | From: Mike Denio <miked at ti.com> |
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:05:02 -0500 From: Mike Denio <miked at ti.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-31-97 >Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:08:23 -0500 >From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> > >The gold shoes of the Sawhorse were probably attributable to the fact >that gold was the commonest and cheapest metal in Oz. It wouldn't last >terribly long, but it was easily replaced. Steel doesn't seem to be all >that readily available there. I had always assumed that Baum used the gold shows purely for effect, instead of any practical reason. You're right in that gold wouldn't last long enough to justify the time required to make the shoes. I suspect that even wooden shoes would perform better. Metals we use to strengthen gold (like copper) would make better shoes when used alone. The use of gold has little practical function (other than ornamentation and as a conductor). >Nickel is a metal that doesn't tarnish or corrode easily, but then so is >tin. I'm not sure what the advantage of nickel-plating tin would be. >Nickel is much harder than tin, but a plating wouldn't have that much >effect. As for luster, I think the two materials are fairly comparable - >not nearly as bright as silver or aluminum, or gold if you're not >looking for the blue-green end of the spectrum, or even chromium, but >brighter than iron or steel or zinc. Actually, I've found nickel plating to be equal to superior to chrome. It has a slightly darker color, but this gives it a much richer look. It is mildly susceptible to tarnish when contaminated (like a fingerprint), but so is chrome. The nickel plated item I have has a plating which is thicker than chrome plate (I don't know if this is generally the case), and thus it has a greater tendency to crack. Still, I prefer nickel plating to chrome for its color. On the other hand, silver is horribly susceptible to tarnish, and requires constant maintenance. Aluminum looks nice after A LOT of polishing, but it dulls if not sealed (hence the clear paint on aluminum cans). Gold of course would be a good choice if the color were suitable. >Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:28:15 -0400 (EDT) >From: JOdel at aol.com > >Ozma's reaction to the threat of invasion is so bizarre that I find it >difficult to swallow. Clearly this is supposed to demonstrate to the reader >that good will always triumph... I agree. The biggest problem with many of the later Oz books (_EC_, _Patchwork_, and especially the Thompson titles) is that the characters no longer have to think in order to solve their problems. Either Glinda shows up and snaps her magic fingers, or some other solution just falls into their collective laps, and everyone heads off to the palace to party. Someone brought up the potential for an ethical and philosophical discussion of the Bunburry chapter, but I feel that Ozma stealing the minds of all her would-be invaders should raise greater ethical questions. Then again, it is just a story. _Emerald City_ is one of my favorite all-around Oz books. I really enjoy Baum's sarcasm, which is in full gear here, but fades quickly in his later work. I'm also fascinated by the extent to which socialism had integrated itself into Baum's writing - obviously the fad of the period. Wasn't it only forty years or so between _Emerald City_ and _Animal Farm_? I'm constantly amazed at how people can have such strong definitive perceptions of the ideal society which invariably look ridiculous to following generations. We are all truly products of our times. On the other hand, other aspects of human behaviour (like the Flutterbudgets) seem to be timeless. Good book. |
| 016 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-31-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 16:24:52 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-31-97 David L.: Nickel when polished is shiny, but its reflectivity isn't nearly as high as silver (around 98% when freshly polished, though it tarnishes fast) or aluminum (90% when polished, and it doesn't tarnish fast). IIRC the reflectivity of nickel is around 50-60%. (If anybody really wants to know I can look it up, but I'd have to go downstairs and it doesn't seem worth the bother unless someone is really curious.) Craig (and others who mentioned the point): It seems to me that there's every bit as much reason for Ozites to study Greek and Latin as for Americans. In either case the reason for studying the languages is partly to have access to the literature of those cultures in the original, and partly to improve one's understanding of English, which owes a great deal of its vocabulary to them. Since Ozish is the same as English, the latter reason would apply in Oz as much as in America or Britain. And the great literature of Rome and Greece would be just as great in Oz as here as well. It's not as if Latin and Greek are studied here to enable one to speak with ancient Romans and Greeks if we happen to meet up with them. (True that there are modern speakers of a form of Greek, and the RC church still uses a form of Latin, but neither American schools of Baum's day nor, I'm sure, Prof. Woggle-bug's academy generally taught Modern Greek or Church Latin. They taught the classical languages.) Of course, these days very few Americans study Latin, and fewer Greek, but at the time EC was written most who went to secondary school studied Latin, and most who went to college studied Greek as well. Joyce: Your comments on EC seem bang-on to me. Neill seemed to have a hard time making up his mind what breed of terrier Toto was. In _Wizard_ Denslow makes him a Scottie or Cairn or some such - one of the fuzzy square kind, anyhow. Neill starts out making him a Boston terrier in _Road_, and continues that in _EC_, but in _PG_ he's something else - not a breed I'm familiar with, if there is such a breed - and by _Lost Princess_ he seems to be more or less of a mutt. It seems bizarre to me that when Ozma found out about the Nome King's planned invasion she wouldn't at least have alerted Glinda to what was going on. Granted, Glinda probably knew about it anyhow from the Great Book of Records (though IIRC that book is first mentioned in _Tik-Tok_; it's just possible that it didn't exist at the time of _EC_), but in that case why didn't _she_ come to the EC to counsel with Ozma, even if she weren't called on? Whether she's protector of Oz or protector of Ozma, it would seem to be in her job description. (Of course, maybe she was brewing up some powerful magic that she'd have used if the Scarecrow hadn't had his inspiration. But if so, she never mentioned it. OTOH, maybe that was to keep morale high in the EC; if you know that someone is going to save you even if your plans go awry, then you have less incentive to work hard to save yourself. Good conservative doctrine there, right, Bear?) Jeremy: I agree that Baum was no fool, but I don't really think Roquat and his armies were much of a prediction of the World Wars. More likely a reflection of the historical wars like the Crimean, Napoleonic, Seven Years', Spanish Succession, Grand Alliance, and Thirty Years', just to go back a couple of centuries from the time he wrote. All of those were cases where multiple nations with differing goals banded together to fight on the same side of a war, sometimes against a single opponent and sometimes against a hostile alliance. (And I don't assert that the wars I list are the only ones of that kind in that period, though I think they were the most important ones.) David Hulan |
| 017 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 08-31-97 | From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> |
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:32:28 -0400 From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> Subject: Ozzy Digest, 08-31-97 Jeremy: >Roquat and his army: A direct prediction of the World Wars . . . Baum was no fool.< Jeremy: "Is is time we went into the world and brought sorrow and dismay to its people. Too long have we remained by ourselves upon this mountain top, for while we are thus secluded many nations have grown happy and prosperous, and the chief joy of the race of Phanfasms is to destroy happiness. So I think it is lucky that this messenger from the Nomes arrived among us just now, to remind us that the opportunity has come for us to make trouble. We will use King Roquat's tunnel to conquer the Land of Oz. Then we ewill destroy the Whimsies, the Growleywogs and the Nomes, and afterward go out to ravage and annoy and grieve the whole world." The First and Foremost of the Phanfasms Because many agree the world went mad, or died, in 1914, I agree with you--the First and Foremost's words do seem creepily prophetic, especially since "Emerald City of Oz" was copyrighted in 1910. Melody Grandy |
| 018 [Return to index] | Subject: _The Emerald City of Oz_ | From: Richard_Tuerk at tamu-commerce.edu (Richard Tuerk) |
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:03:41 -0600 From: Richard_Tuerk at tamu-commerce.edu (Richard Tuerk) Subject: _The Emerald City of Oz_ On 29 Aug. David Hulen wrote: >I don't know - I think that if the point had been to have the rather >idle journey of Dorothy and company through Oz punctuated by the >suspense of seeing the Nome King's plot working its way to fruition, >there should be some mention of said plot after they'd left the Fuddles. >The whole business of the zebra and the crab, Utensia (my personal >favorite bit of their travels), Bunbury, Bunnybury, Flutterbudget >Center, Rigmarole Town, and everything in between is uninterrupted by >any adumbration of what Roquat is up to. If Baum was trying for suspense >in the Hitchcockian sense, I don't think he did a very good job of it. I think this assesment is basically accurate. IN this book, Baum really doesn't seem to have been too interested in making the two plots work together, except that both provide him with an opportunity to presenting to his readers a travelog through parts of Oz and of some neighboring kingdoms. He wanted to be entertaining and exciting, but he does not seem to have been concerned with having the tour of Oz contribute to the suspense. Perhaps he thought the suspense surrounding the Nomes' invasion plans so great that he wanted to provide his young readers with a rest, an opportunity to calm down before the next episode involving the Nomes. Rich Tuerk |
| 019 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-31-97 | From: "Stephen J. Teller" <steller at pittstate.edu> |
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 09:00:45 -0700 From: "Stephen J. Teller" <steller at pittstate.edu> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-31-97 > From: "David G. Hulan" > > Nickel is a metal that doesn't tarnish or corrode easily, but then so is > tin. I'm not sure what the advantage of nickel-plating tin would be. > Nickel is much harder than tin, but a plating wouldn't have that much > effect. Nickel plating was done to inhibit corrosion. The Tim Woodman was very liable to rust (something very unusual for the non-ferrous metal tin. Volkov made more sense when he changed him into the Iron Woodman. Did "tin cans" in the 1890s rust? Baum certainly intended EC to be his last Oz book, and therefore went out of his way to give the readers a greater feeling for the nature of the country than he had previously done. Fot that reason, the tour de OZ that is given to Uncle Henry and Aunt Em is also intended for the readership. Baum had a strong sense of Whimsy, and here gave it free rein (even to the extent of having a race of Whimsies). In many ways the Oz chapters of EC are more like THE MAGICAL MONARCH OF MO than anything else in Baum's series. I agree with David that Utensia was among my favorite chapters of the books; it is the punniest passage in the entire canon. Steve T. |
| 020 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> |
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 10:10:01 -0500
From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
Some comments on EC:
This book is especially noteworthy, I think, in that it provides the basic
model for many of the Thompson books: the Irate Beginning Chapter (some
monarch or other exploding with rage), the dual plot lines, the succession
of episodes depicting one quaint little kingdom after another
I agree with David H. that the Bunnybury episode doesn't have much in common
with _Alice in Wonderland_ except for the white rabbits, but EC as a whole
comes closer to Lewis Carroll than Baum's other books in its biting satire
of the misbehavior of adults. How many of us have known people who fall to
pieces as a form of defensive behavior, like the Fuddles? Or
people--adults--who resort to infantalism when asked to be responsible, like
the Bunny King? (I love the way he first appears, weeping and lying on his
back kicking his legs in the air like a baby!) The prolixity of the
inhabitants of Rigmarole Town and the paranoia of the Flutterbudgets are
further very familiar examples of adults behaving badly.
For that matter, I think the inclusion of Greek and Latin in the curriculum
of Professor Wogglebug's college is not necessarily out of reverence for the
classical tradition, particularly since these languages are acquired very
expeditiously by swallowing a pill. Baum was undoubtedly satirizing the
pedagogy of foreign-language instruction at the turn of the century, which
typically involved heavy doses of grammar (memorizing grammatical tables)
and laboriously translating uplifting passages from the ancient texts. Like
the memorization and recitation of low-grade inspirational verse ("The Boy
Stood on the Burning Deck," "The Charge of the Light Brigade"), this kind of
rote learning was essentially a brain-dead activity, and Baum was quite
right in suggesting that it might as well have been accomplished by taking a
pill for all the good it did in teaching people how to think, or how to feel.
Incidentally: Bunbury has *got* to be an allusion to _The Importance of
Being Earnest_.
"[The wheelbarrow is] made of nabiscos with a zuzu wheel": Does anyone know
what a zuzu wheel was? And if "nabisco" was a common noun, what did it
mean? A generic square cracker?
Joyce is undoubtedly correct in saying that Ozma's eerie passivity in
accepting the attack of Roquat's assembled forces is one of the most
problematic aspects of this book. Can anyone imagine Tip acting like this?
And are we to believe that a ruler who is so clueless about defending
herself spends her days helping other people resolve their quarrels? The
only answer I can think of here is that Baum was sacrificing Ozma's
character in order to justify his decision to discontinue the Oz series. By
making Ozma seem so helpless and defenseless against outside aggression, he
underscored the need to make Oz invisible and out of reach forever.
I also agree with Mike Denio that there are some serious ethical problems
raised in the way Ozma and the others take care of the invading forces.
Admittedly these are very scary enemies--the Phanfasms in particular could
have been conceived by Stephen King--but the Water of Oblivion calls to mind
the practice of neutralizing aggressive behavior by frontal lobotomies.
--Gordon Birrell
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| 021 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-31-97 | From: ozbot <ozbot at ix.netcom.com> |
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:46:24 -0700 From: ozbot <ozbot at ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 08-31-97 David wrote: >If Baum was trying for suspense > in the Hitchcockian sense, I don't think he did a very good job of it. Well, comparatively, Baum achieves a level of suspence that hasn't been explored in earlier books, due mostly to juggling the parallel stories-- just one aspect of suspence that Hitchcock might use. I agree that if this was Baum's chief aim-- suspence-- it could be manufactured better (Baum's craft of writing sometimes leaves a bit to be desired) In a way, it seems like the suspence that is there is almost an accident-- again, by way of the parallel plots. Someone mentioned that Baum could have spotlighted the Fountain's role a bit earlier-- this is an example of what could have hieghtened the book's structure. Danny |
| 022 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest (9/3) | From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com> |
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 10:34:50 -0700
From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest (9/3)
Craig:
I don't really see anything all that odd about Ozites studying subjects
like Greek and Latin. The people of Oz seem to speak English, which has
some of its roots in these languages. As for learning "The Charge of the
Light Brigade," this knowledge of Outside World literature is certainly
not an isolated incident in the Oz series. King Dox of Foxville is
familiar with Aesop's fables, and the Dictator of Dicksy Land reads a
book by Dickens. Anyway, the Education Pills were invented by the
Wizard, who certainly has knowledge of Outside World subjects.
Anyone notice that the Ozites were apparently familiar with baseball in
_Emerald City_, but seemed to be unfamiliar with the sport in Thompson's
books?
Joyce:
Baum does use multiple plotlines in _Emerald City_, but does not seem to
have perfected the technique. The adventures of Dorothy's party comprise
much more of the book than do Guph's travels. Also, it is clearly
documented when Dorothy's party eats or sleeps. We have no idea when (or
if) Guph did these things, and how long his journey took.
I actually thought that Thompson developed the character of the Cowardly
Lion a little more than Baum did (although, admittedly, Thompson's Lion
acts very much like most of the other large animals in her books). The
McGraws' Lion reminds me more of Thompson's Lion than of Baum's.
Nathan Mulac DeHoff
vovat at geocities.com or lnvf at grove.iup.edu
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/
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| 023 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 09-04-97 | From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu> |
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 09:28:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 09-04-97 Every time I see a mention of how Carrollian Bunbury is, I think, "Yeah, but the REAL Carroll episodes are in COWARDLY LION." Even Neill seems to have caught on...I'm at school now and don't have access to the books, but there's a drawing of a gal who could be Carroll's Duchess just as well as the Tenniel version. The Doorways i.e. is especially Carrollian, I think, with its dragging through keyholes and a feeling of senselessness and frustration. Anyone else see it this way? It feels so like ALICE with a rational being observing irrationality. (Kinda like I feel in school some days!) --Robin |
| 024 [Return to index] | Subject: RE: Ozzy Digest, 09-04-97 | From: Bill Wright <bw at computas.no> |
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 18:02:28 +0200
From: Bill Wright <bw at computas.no>
Subject: RE: Ozzy Digest, 09-04-97
Stephen,
> What is more disturbing is the incredible coincidences upon
which the resolution of so many of his plots depend.<
I wonder how much of this can be attributed to the audience he
was writing for: generally 10 to 15 year olds. Today perhaps we are a
bit more sophisticated and know that problems are not so fortuitously
resolved. But perhaps in those earlier days his approach was more in
tune with the presumed "innocence" of the reader.
Gordon,
I agree with your comments on EC, and similar comments by other
Digests. I read this book at least 20 times while planning and
producing the EC audio book. There are really a lot of funny things in
it. In the recording studio sessions the whole cast from time to time
would break down into such laughing fits that we had to take a break
just to calm down and get back to the business of recording the book.
(PS: the various things in Bunbury were popular food products of the
period, e.g. Zuzu Wheel.)
Regards,
Bill in Ozlo
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| 025 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: Lisa Bompiani <bompi at microserve.net> |
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 13:41:44 -0400 From: Lisa Bompiani <bompi at microserve.net> Subject: Ozzy Digest In reference to the Bunnybury/Carroll connection, there are some I think more than just the white rabbits (I kept hearing Python's "It's just a bunny rabbit!" while I read it). Namely, the small entrance, the white rabbit who led Dorothy there as Alice was led through the hole and Dorothy needing to shrink her size to enter the town. I found the King's requests to keep his clothes and chair hilarious. it's funny how people complain abou tpositions in life, but when given opportunities to leave, still want the so-called benefits of that position. Then, he changes his mind about leaving the city. Could this be some variation on the "no place like home" idea or am I way off? Peace & Love, Bompi |
| 026 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 09-04 & 05-97 | From: David Hulan <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 19:31:29 -0500 From: David Hulan <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 09-04 & 05-97 9/4: Steve: Tin doesn't really rust; that's why it's used as a coating for cans. It's only a plating on the cans, though, and a soft one at that, so cans that had been handled a fair bit would rust. If Nick was pure tin he wouldn't have rusted either. But nickel plating would have the advantage of being much less easily scratched, which is probably why he chose it. Gordon: > >"[The wheelbarrow is] made of nabiscos with a zuzu wheel": Does anyone know >what a zuzu wheel was? And if "nabisco" was a common noun, what did it >mean? A generic square cracker? My parents always used "nabisco" as the name for what I think are technically called "Nabisco sugar wafers" - the kind of cookie where each side looks like a mini-waffle, with a very sugary filling in between. They'd certainly make up into a wheelbarrow fairly well. I'm not sure that Baum had the same usage in mind, but I thought I'd throw it in. The Whimsies, Growleywogs, and Phanfasms are characterized as Evil Spirits with no redeeming qualities, which I suppose is why it's never bothered me that they lost their memories. The Nomes, who seem to be mixed good and bad like most people, didn't drink from the Fountain. And, of course, no one was forced to drink, just encouraged. Nathan: >Anyone notice that the Ozites were apparently familiar with baseball in >_Emerald City_, but seemed to be unfamiliar with the sport in Thompson's >books? In _Road_ Shaggy's skill at catching the Scoodlers' heads and tossing them down the gulf is attributed to his having played a lot of baseball. >I actually thought that Thompson developed the character of the Cowardly >Lion a little more than Baum did (although, admittedly, Thompson's Lion >acts very much like most of the other large animals in her books). The >McGraws' Lion reminds me more of Thompson's Lion than of Baum's. Baum's lion talks a cowardly game, but generally acts bravely. Thompson's lion seems to be genuinely cowardly, especially with regard to thunderstorms - in both _Royal Book_ and _Cowardly Lion_ he panics and puts his companion(s) in danger during a storm. David Hulan |
| 027 [Return to index] | Subject: ozzy digest | From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> |
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:25:43 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: ozzy digest Gordon Birrell: It's hard to see any allusion to "Bunbury" in Wilde's sense, but considering Baum's interest in theater, you'd think he must have known about it. I recall a reference in one of the "Bugles" explaining the reference to Saratoga chips as an early brand name of potato chips. From that example, I assume that nabisco referred to the Nabisco company rather than to a common noun (Nabisco is the offshoot of the National Biscuit Company, isn't it?), and suspect that "zuzu" was also a brand name. (I didn't find it in the "Webster's Unabridged," anyhow.) Ruth Berman |
| 028 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com> |
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:27:25 -0700 From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com> Subject: Ozzy Digest Ruth: "Nabisco" probably did come from the brand name, even though Baum used a lower-case "n." Also, in _Gnome King_, Thompson referred to "ivory soap." She was most likely referring to the brand name, since I've never heard of soap actually being made from ivory (even though Shampoozle did say that his subjects could make soap out of anything). BTW, did anyone else notice that Dorothy visited the Parker H. Rolls (as in the Parker HOUSE Rolls)? I think Saratoga chips might still be around, but I'm not sure who makes them. I'm pretty sure it isn't Ruggedo, especially since he doesn't have his magical powers anymore. BTW, Ruggedo threatens to turn someone into a potato on three separate occasions (Kaliko in _Tik-Tok_, Peter in _Gnome King_, and someone, possibly the pirates, in _Pirates_). Of course, potatoes grow underground, so they might have been one of Rug's favorite foods. -- Nathan Mulac DeHoff vovat at geocities.com or lnvf at grove.iup.eduhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ "I'm having a wonderful time, but I'd rather be whistling in the dark." |
| 029 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> |
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:55:48 -0500 From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> Subject: Ozzy Digest Ruth Berman: When I said that Bunbury had to be an allusion to Wilde's play, I didn't mean to imply that there is any thematic connection. More likely, Baum was taking a word that everyone (at least adults) knew and putting a very amusing spin on it by taking its components literally. It may seem as if the tension of the book is undermined--so to speak--by the fact that the ungoing advance of the enemy troops isn't mentioned at all during the many chapters that describe the various eccentric towns that Dorothy and her party visit. Still: if the Haff/Martin map is at all accurate, one can't help noticing that during the last leg of their journey (from the Tin Woodman's castle back to the Emerald City) Dorothy and the rest are unwittingly traveling directly above the tunnel as it heads toward the center of Oz--a decidedly creepy touch. I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Neill's illustrations yet. This is surely the most sophisticated work he did for the Oz series. That depiction of Aunt Em confronting the Cowardly Lion is nothing short of surrealistic, and the extraordinary illustration of Guph approaching the Phanfasm bridge is like something out of Bosch. (Did anyone else notice the strange figure at the lower left: a phantom hunter lying on his stomach drawing a bead on the alligator?) --Gordon Birrell |
| 030 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest - Turbulent Water | From: earlabbe at juno.com (Earl C. Abbe) |
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:43:17 -0400 (EDT) From: earlabbe at juno.com (Earl C. Abbe) Subject: Ozzy Digest - Turbulent Water In the 9/2-4 Digest, Gordon Birrell questions the morality of using the "nuclear bomb" of the Water of Oblivion on the invading Nomes and their allies. I share Gordon's unease. Perhaps Ozma's total inability to mount any defense against the invasion excuses the Water's use -- It was either use the Water, or allow Oz's total destruction. Earl Abbe (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!) |
| 031 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 09-04-97 | From: rri0189 at ibm.net |
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:58:16 +0600 From: rri0189 at ibm.net Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 09-04-97 Stephen J. Teller wrote: >Did "tin cans" in the 1890s rust? Tin-plated iron cans rust like the very devil once the tin is breached. Much faster than plain iron. Gordon Birrell wrote: >Does anyone know what a zuzu wheel was? I have a vague notion I've encountered a "zuzu" somewhere or other in the last 49 years.... >And if "nabisco" was a common noun, what did it mean? A generic square >cracker? It certainly is not a common noun: it stands for "National Biscuit Company", and if EC were published today, Nabisco's lawyers would be screaming bloody murder. I'm pretty certain that "a nabisco" would refer to a saltine, which makes sense for the wheelbarrow. // John W Kennedy -- Hypatia Software -- "The OS/2 Hobbit" |
| 032 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 09-09-97 | From: rri0189 at ibm.net |
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:38:08 +0600
From: rri0189 at ibm.net
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 09-09-97
>I think Saratoga chips might still be around, but I'm not sure who makes
>them.
There are, or were just a year or two ago, chips available under that
name. The potato chip as we know it (and that's "potato crisp" outside
the U.S.) was invented at a resort in Saratoga, N.Y., when a diner
complained that his french fries ("chips" outside the U.S.) were too
thick. The chef sliced a potato into thin wafers and fried them up,
intending them as a sarcastic rejoinder, but they made a big hit.
I do not know whether the contemporary "Saratoga Chips" are an old
brand name surviving to this date, or an old common name being used
as a modern brand name.
// John W Kennedy -- Hypatia Software -- "The OS/2 Hobbit"
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| 033 [Return to index] | Subject: Oz | From: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> |
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:35:59 -0400 From: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> Subject: Oz Sender: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> Earl: It may not have been possible to use the Belt to return the invaders while they were marching for two reasons: 1. In _Emerald City_, it says that the Magic Belt itself would not really add to the power of the Phanfasms, so it may not have worked while their knowledge of magic was strong. It may have been necessary to mind wipe them so that they could offer no defense. 2. If they had done that, the Belt would be completely drained (if you accept the HACC theory that the belt was drained of power after this and did not recover until the Thompson administration). The invaders would have simply returned, and the Belt would have been useless to stop them the second time. --Tyler Jones |
| 034 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 09-24-97 | From: NQAE93A at prodigy.com (MR ROBERT J COLLINGE) |
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:45:57, -0500 From: NQAE93A at prodigy.com (MR ROBERT J COLLINGE) Subject: Ozzy Digest, 09-24-97 I am still waiting for my copy of "Sea Fairies" from BOW, so I have not read it yet. A few final questions about EC. If Toto was supposedly the first dog in Oz, Why were the bunnies of Bunnybury afraid of dogs? and... The Rigamarole houses were Munchkin houses, Why is Rigamarole in the Quadling country on the Oz map? Bob C. |
| 035 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest Submission | From: earlabbe at juno.com (Earl C. Abbe) |
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:53:05 -0400 (EDT) From: earlabbe at juno.com (Earl C. Abbe) Subject: Ozzy Digest Submission In the 9/25 Digest, Tyler Jones says, <In _Emerald City_, it says that the Magic Belt itself would not really add to the power of the Phanfasms.> However, the Phanfasms seem to have made little use of that significant power, if they really do have such magic. He also suggests that the Magic Belt would have been exhausted by one mass transportation of the invaders and so, could not be used to send them home and keep them there without some additional factor, such as the Fountain of Oblivion. This may be so, but there is no indication that Ozma knew this. She did not try that or anything. Something should have been done. The transportation of a few eggs into the tunnel every day probably would have cost the Belt little magical energy and could have considerably slowed the tunnel construction, to give the Ozians more time to prepare. Or even just to delay the inevitable, if it was truly inevitable. This was the nadir of our beloved monarch's reign. Earl Abbe |
| 036 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 09-25-97 | From: David Hulan <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:51:06 -0500 From: David Hulan <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 09-25-97 Bob C.: >If Toto was supposedly the first dog in Oz, Why were the bunnies of >Bunnybury afraid of dogs? Toto may have been the first domestic dog in Oz (though there are hounds in _Merry-Go-Round_ that presumably had been there all along, and there probably are other dogs in other books that don't come to mind offhand), but we know that there were wolves in Oz (the WWW had a pack of them, and the Glass Cat meets one on the way into Gugu's forest), and wolves and dogs are closely enough related that they can produce fertile hybrids. (Arguably they're the same species, though I don't think most taxonomists lump them.) Even though Toto - whether he's Denslow's Scottie or Cairn or Neill's Boston terrier - doesn't look much like a wolf, he probably smells enough like one to trigger primal fears in a rabbit. >The Rigamarole houses were Munchkin houses, Why is Rigamarole in the >Quadling country on the Oz map? It just says the houses were Munchkin shaped - but in illustrations, at any rate, all the houses throughout Oz seem to have that same domed shape, at least in the more settled parts. Stranger, actually, is that after they leave Flutterbudget Center it says they're in the Gillikin Country, though the map shows FC in the Quadling Country as well. I think this is a case of Baum just misspeaking himself; the whole flow of the story works better if most of their tour is in the Quadling Country. Earl: The Phanfasms do almost nothing once they leave Mt. Phantastico but march through the tunnel and get thirsty. If they're really more powerful than the Magic Belt, then it would seem reasonable that they might just banish the dust, but that would ruin the story... David Hulan |
| 037 [Return to index] | Subject: The Past Few Ozzy Digests | From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com> |
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:21:31 -0700 From: Nathan Mulac DeHoff <vovat at geocities.com> Subject: The Past Few Ozzy Digests Robert Collinge: Toto was certainly not the first dog to live in Oz. Jack Pumpkinhead encountered a green dog while riding the Sawhorse through the Emerald City in _Land_. For some reason, Baum often made generalizations about the Land of Oz, which often contradicted his earlier writing. In _Dorothy and the Wizard_, he stated that the Sawhorse was the only horse in Oz, but the Cowardly Lion and Tip are both familiar with horses, suggesting that there were other horses in Oz. Thompson, Neill, and the McGraws placed plenty of horses and dogs in Oz. On a similar note, _Royal Book_ contains a remark that there were no ferries in Oz, even though there were some in Baum's books, notably _Land_ and _Lost Princess_. Also, in _Lost King_, it is stated that there are no stores in Oz, which also untrue. Generally, when an author states that a certain thing does not exist in Oz, this statement need not be taken at face value. Earl: I agree that the Phanfasms did not use much of their supposed power. Pretty much all of the magic that they worked just created illusions. -- Nathan Mulac DeHoff vovat at geocities.com or lnvf at grove.iup.eduhttp://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/5447/ "I'm having a wonderful time, but I'd rather be whistling in the dark." |
| 038 [Return to index] | Subject: [Regalia] EMERALD CITY online sleuthing | From: AGannaway7 at aol.com |
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:57:41 EDT From: AGannaway7 at aol.com To: regalia at pauahtun.org Subject: [Regalia] EMERALD CITY online sleuthing On 10/19/04, Ruth Berman wrote: <<That anecdote reminded me that the Utensia and Bunbury chapters have Baum's heaviest concentration of puns (with the possible exception of some Wogglebug material), so I took advantage of the existence of on-line versions of the public-domain Oz books to look up those chapters, and in the Buns I notice some odd terms that may have been explained when "Emerald City" was the book under discussion, but I don't know remember what they were: the wheelbarrow made of nabiscos with a zuzu wheel (we still have nabiscos, but what's a zuzu? -- I seem to remember that someone explained before, but don't remember what the explanation was), the graham gems who were twins (we still have graham crackers, but what are the gems?) and doughleanders and doughderas in the garden -- the first probably represents oleanders, but what's the second?>> I went back to the "Ozzy Digest" archives for September 1997, when EMERALD CITY was the BCF. Our own David Hulan touched on at least one of those unfamiliar terms at the time: <<My parents always used "nabisco" as the name for what I think are technically called "Nabisco sugar wafers" - the kind of cookie where each side looks like a mini-waffle, with a very sugary filling in between. They'd certainly make up into a wheelbarrow fairly well. I'm not sure that Baum had the same usage in mind, but I thought I'd throw it in.>> John W. Kennedy, however, had a different answer: <<[Nabisco] certainly is not a common noun: it stands for "National BiscuitCompany", and if EC were published today, Nabisco's lawyers would be screaming bloody murder. I'm pretty certain that "a nabisco" would refer to a saltine, which makes sense for the wheelbarrow.>> Then I did a Google search, and actually found a definitive answer on zuzus. Zuzus (or Zu Zus?) were ginger snaps made by Nabisco. See this image:http://www.treetracing.com/images/1014.JPG As for the graham gems/twins, I found the following passage athttp://www.gti.net/mocolib1/kid/foodcookies.htm: ********* In English cookbooks, sugar cookies were known by many names, most often: jumbal, jumble, jambal, jemelloe, gemmel. Jumbals were hard sugar biscuits. They were baked thick and hard to make them suitable for journeys and could be stored for about a year. They were also typically twisted into knots, presumably to make them a little easier to break and eat. The primary differences between English sugar cookies and their continental counterparts(http://www.gti.net/mocolib1/kid/foodcookies.html#mexicanweddingcakes) were the spices, use of nuts (lacking in English versions), and shapes. "Jumbles...sometimes called knots, a type of biscuit popular in the 17th and 18th centuries. They were made from a light mixture of butter, sugar, eggs, and flour, flavoured with rosewater and aniseed or caraway seed. The mixture was made into thin rolls and shaped into rounds or knots before baking; the name derives from gemmel, twin, here referring to a couble intertwined finger ring." ---Oxford Companion to Food, Alan Davidson [Oxford University Press:Oxford] 1999 (p. 423) ********* That seems to tie in pretty well with what Baum was writing. I was unable to figure out what kind of plant or flower that Baum was punning on with "doughderas." Atticus Gannaway |
| 039 [Return to index] | Subject: [Regalia] EMERALD CITY online sleuthing P.S. | From: AGannaway7 at aol.com |
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:23:56 EDT From: AGannaway7 at aol.com To: regalia at pauahtun.org Subject: [Regalia] EMERALD CITY online sleuthing P.S. I tried Googling various words that rhyme with "doughdera," and hit on "rhodera," which seemed to relate to rhododendrons. But it may be a typo for "rhodora," which is an actual flower and the subject of a poem by Emerson (whom Baum quoted in his QUEER VISITORS FROM THE MARVELOUS LAND OF OZ comic strips, specifically the episode in which the visitors meet Santa Claus). The poem is online here:http://www.bartleby.com/102/38.html Atticus Gannaway |
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