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| 001 [Return to index] | Subject: OZMA Chronology |
Day 1 - Storm at sea - Dorothy washed off boat on chicken coop Day 2 - Storm subsides - Billina lays her 1st egg - Dorothy & Billina washed up on Evian coast - meet Tik-tok - escape Wheelers - imprisoned by Languidere Day 3 - Ozma & party approach Evna in AM - free Dorothy, Tik-tok, Billina - discussion of plan to free the royal family of Ev Day 4 - Party leaves Evna at daybreak - Billina lays her 2nd egg - they enter the Nome King's dominions - Ozma, Tin Woodman, 26 officers & private begin guesses, which continue until "after midnight" - Billina falls asleep under Nome King's throne Day 5 - Early in AM Billina learns of Nome King's power - Tik-tok enchanted - Dorothy frees Evring - Billina lays her 3rd egg, disenchants remainder of party - Dorothy seizes Magic Belt - party escapes - Evardo proclaimed King of Ev Day 6 - Dorothy's party crosses the desert - night with "Munchkin king" Day 7 - Party meets Jinjur - welcome at Emerald City "Several weeks" pass before Dorothy leaves Oz for Australia |
| 002 [Return to index] | Subject: Some thoughts on _Ozma Of OZ_ | From: Bob Spark <bspark at pacbell.net> |
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 1997 15:39:57 -0700
From: Bob Spark <bspark at pacbell.net>
Subject: Some thoughts on _Ozma Of OZ_
Hello there,
When I was a child, _Ozma_ was one of my favorite Oz books, but
upon re-reading it I find that I am still bothered by the same few
things that bothered me then:
First, Tik-Tok says "Af-ter-ward the King of Ev re-gret-ted his
wick-ed ac-tion, and tried to get his wife and the chil-dren a-way from
the Nome King, but with-out a-vail. So, in de-spair, he locked me up in
this rock, threw the key in-to the o-cean, and then jumped in af-ter it
and was drowned." If Tik-Tok was locked up in the rock, how did he know
what happened afterward?
Second, it seems to me that a firm of "won-der-ful in-ven-tors"
like Smith & Tinker could have come up with something more efficient to
"keep folks from fin-ding the un-der-ground pal-ace" than that "i-ron gi-ant".
Third, on page 158, the Nome King's army is described as consisting
of "rock-colored Nomes, all squat and fat", but in the picture on the
opposite page they all seem to be slim and trim.
Fourth, a definite point is made that eggs are poison to Nomes, but
they don't seem to have that effect. Even when the Scarecrow throws the
eggs at the Nome King, the only result seems to be that he can't see
because his eyes are blocked by the egg liquid. He seems to suffer no
lasting health problems. Maybe the Nomes just don't like eggs.
Fifth, and last, what ARE those things on either side of Ozma's
head? (Do they have any relation to Princess Leia's weird hairdo in
_Star Wars?)
Awaiting Enlightenment,
Bob Spark
--
"Women are like elephants to meI like to look at 'em
but I wouldn't want to own one."
W.C. Fields
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| 003 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-28-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:07:26 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-28-97 Bob: How Tik-Tok knew what Evoldo did after locking him up: clearly Smith and Tinker gave his brain some kind of limited clairvoyance. (It must have been pretty limited or he could have told which ornaments were the enchanted Ozites and Evites.) And Neill's illustrations, as I have said repeatedly recently, frequently contradict the text; the one you mention is just one more. Your other two points I quite agree with. Another one that always bothers me whenever Tik-Tok is on stage is that, while I can believe that a key can do an adequate job of winding up his thinking (which probably doesn't use up a lot more energy than the works of an ordinary clock - and an ordinary clock can run for 8 days on a winding that's only moderately tedious), and can conceive of its being able to run his speech for a while, especially if he doesn't talk a lot, there's no way that a little girl is going to be able to crank a key around enough times to wind up a spring that would run his action more than a couple of minutes at the outside. I always wanted to see a big crank that gave enough mechanical advantage that it was believable for Dorothy to wind him up enough to walk several miles after a fight with the Wheelers. Even that's unlikely in a real world, but one can make liberal allowances for magic. Oh, and the "things on either side of Ozma's head" are giant poppies. Neill put them there in almost (but not quite) all his illustrations that showed Ozma (including the three in LAND), although they're never mentioned in the text of any of the FF. As to whether they had anything to do with Leia's hairdo in STAR WARS, you'd have to ask George Lucas about that, unless someone already knows he's been asked the question and what the answer was. David Hulan |
| 004 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-28-97 | From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu> |
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:29:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-28-97 Bob S.: Tiktok tells us "The ir-on gi-ant...was made for the Nome King by Smith & Tinker, who made me, and his du-ty is to keep folks from find-ing the un-der-ground pal-ace." The Nome King may have commissioned the inventors to make that specific machine (the giant), not to make a keeping- folks-from finding-the-palace machine. I have more faith in Smith & Tinker than to believe that the whole lame idea was theirs. As for how Tiktok knew about the rest of Evoldo's story, that always has bugged me, too. Most illos of the Nomes show them as squat. If you think Neill goofed in that picture, check out the one where the Scarecrow throws the egg at Roquat. The Tin Woodman is in the background. WRONG! He's supposed to still be transformed at that point. I'm not touching the egg question with a 10-foot yolk. No one has ever explained it away to my satisfaction. The "Things" on each side of Ozma's head are poppies and, yes, they probably do have something to do with Princess Leia, if you accept the theory that Chewy=C.Lion, etc. --Robin |
| 005 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> |
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:48:56 -0500 From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> Subject: Ozzy Digest On _Ozma_: 1) Has there ever been a more succinct depiction of the instability of the narcissistic personality than Langwidere's mirrored chamber with the 30 heads that she changes out from one day to the next? I notice also in the illustration of these thirty heads (p. 89) that Neill impudently included a couple of heads that don't exactly qualify as "beautiful," and one of them, in a wonderful twist of fate, bears more than a passing resemblance to Margaret Hamilton. 2) Like Joyce, I find it very unfortunate that the sensible, plain-talking Dorothy of _WWoO_ reverts here to Baby Snooksisms (as Gore Vidal put it) like "'zactly" and "drea'ful." You have to hand it to Baum, though: at least he is gender-neutral with these cutesy effects. Button-Bright, in _Road_, has even more trouble with big words than Dorothy. As David Hulan remarked, _Ozma_ marks the beginning of a second phase in Baum's Oz books, and these speech mannerisms are one indication of the change in style. David: I'd be interested in knowing what other features that you see as characteristic of the second phase. There definitely is a shift here. 3) One of the many appealing things about Baum's imagination, for me, is the way he drops unexpected bits of corporate America into the fantasy world of Baumgea. Take Tiktok--who comes equipped with a printed card that evokes all the trappings of entrepeneurial capitalism: patent protection (in fine print yet!), advertising slogans such as "extra-responsive" and "our special clock-work attachment" (not to mention Tiktok's later reference to his "improved steel brains")--all of which suggests, improbably, the existence of a lively, highly competitive mechanical-man industry in the land of Ev! The label on the bottle of Dr. Nikidik's "celebrated wishing pills" is another example of this wonderfully daffy referencing of American marketing ploys. 4) (Who's in charge of continuity?) As anyone noticed the way Dorothy's stockings keep alternating between white and blue in the color plates? 5) At the risk of once again being labeled a city-boy (remember the discussion of the excretory habits of grasshoppers back in September?), I wonder if anyone can clarify for me that strange exchange between Dorothy and Billina on page 214--the discussion of whether or not a Kansas farmer would call Billina a chicken or a hen. Was "chicken" the generic word for poultry? --Gordon Birrell |
| 006 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Things | From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com> |
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 09:45:49 (PDT)
From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com>
Subject: Ozzy Things
The _Ozma_ discussion officially began yesterday, but we seem to be still
in transition...
As has been already mentioned, the "big things" are Ozma's poppies, as
much Ozma's "trademark" as the stovepipe hat is Lincoln's, the cigar is
Churchill's and the white turtleneck is Jerry Brown's. :) We also see
in _Ozma of Oz_ the poppies' long stems that I always worry got in her
way...She seems to have cut them short in later years for that very reason.
One thing I've always wondered -- Since they're never mentioned at all in
any FF text, how do we for certain that they *are* poppies, or that she
*always* wears poppies, and doesn't also don hybiscus or elysium for
variety?
-- Dave
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| 007 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-28-97 | From: sahutchi at cord.iupui.edu |
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:59:22 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi at cord.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-28-97 Bob--George Lucas did once say her hair was based on Ozma's poppies. Scott |
| 008 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-29-97 | From: Bob Spark <bspark at pacbell.net> |
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 10:30:09 -0700
From: Bob Spark <bspark at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-29-97
Hi there,
I would like to second Gordon's question about chickens and hens.
I thought that possibly the terms have changed somewhat in meaning
through the years. Maybe not. At any rate I have always assumed that
hens, roosters, and chicks (not to mention capons, etc.) could all be
referred to as chickens. As a parallel (and totally off the point) when
are bovine "cows" and when can they be called "cattle"?
Gordon, probably we are both "city-boys",
Bob Spark
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| 009 [Return to index] | Subject: Oz | From: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> |
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:52:38 -0400 From: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> Subject: Oz Bob: The only answer I can come up with is that the King of Ev told Tik-Tok what he planned to do after he was locked up. Smith and Tinker may never envisioned a concerted large-scale effort to get to the Nome King's dominions. The sight of the giant could easily be enough to scare a lone person or two. Illos and text rarely match exactly, which is why many people do not count them for scholarly research (myself included, with rare exceptions). Ozma: Another change at this pahse is that large parts of the adventure occur outside of Oz. Not until _Patchwork Girl_ does an adventure take place exclusively in Oz. --Tyler Jones |
| 010 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-29-97 | From: JOdel at aol.com |
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: JOdel at aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-29-97 Ozma: This one was my favorite of the Oz stories to which I had access as a child. (Not difficult, since the others either had story elements which made them less than altogether satisfactory - Land & DotWiz - or were missing pages.) It was also the one which marked a personal triumph in my having managed to reread it in two hours flat at about age ten or so. I still think this story flows very nicely. There are certainly small glitches in continuity, like Tik-Tok's knowlege of what happened after he was walled up. There are also some faintly silly jokes which I noticed far less at the time. (Along with Dorothy's suddenly "twee" diction.) Still, the main thing which strikes me is that while Ozma may be the title character, the book is not about her at all. The story, from beginning to end, is Dorothy's, and Dorothy's alone. Ozma, actually, is a difficult person to know. In more books than this, Baum keeps standing between her and the reader and fending us off with "explanations". Nor does she cover herself in glory in this tale. It is a far from minor flaw in the telling that, having succeeded in her intentions only through blind luck and the wits of others, and, more importantly, primarily through others who were NOT part of her hand-picked expedition, that she does not, within the hearing of the reader, ever admit, even privately, to having LEARNED anything. The temptation to resort to another facitious political "interpretation" of this story is not strong. Nor will I do one. But the invitation is far from absent. Ozma's comic-opera version of gunboat diplomacy is ludicrous. And the various parallels with the more naive interpretations of foreign policiy as it is summarized later is hard to overlook. As is the implicit assumption of cultural superiority evidenced by the whole Ozian party, upon no better grounds than that THEY live upon the surface of the earth while the nomes live under it. This jars upon the modern ear, and must be excused only through consideration of when the book actually was written. (The assumption of moral superiority is another matter, and one far more excusable.) BTW, it should come as no surprise to learn that I agree with David's essay regarding Ozma's reign, wherein he shows that this rescue expedition was recklessly planned and poorly executed. (One seriously wonders just what Glinda would have DONE had Billena not been fortuitiously eavesdropping and the party remained as enchanted bric-a-brack in the Nome King's halls. She couldn't -and wouldn't- have pretended to ignorance, with everything being faithfully recorded in the book of records.) Still, this is an enjoyable story, and Billena is a strikingly successful creation. She is unmistakably a hen in character and outlook, and one of the few "adult" characters (yes, there were others) which Baum ever sent to Oz who hadn't anything noticably peculiar about them. |
| 011 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-29-97 | From: rri0189 at ibm.net |
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 07:30:26 +0600 From: rri0189 at ibm.net Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-29-97 Dave Hardenbrook wrote: >One thing I've always wondered -- Since they're never mentioned at all in >any FF text, how do we for certain that they *are* poppies, or that she >*always* wears poppies, and doesn't also don hybiscus or elysium for >variety? Because poppies are Romantic High Art. I don't know why, but they are. (Of course given the tendencies of the _spaetromantik_ era in general, one explanation comes to mind....) It's one little Art Nouveau idiom that made it into post-Denslow Oz, somehow. It only occurs to me at this moment that they may have had an effect on the change in Ozma's apparent hair color: poppies make a much more dramatic effect against black hair than blonde. I think the question came up before, but I don't have a color-plate "Land"; is the blonde Ozma ever shown in color, with poppies (which appear only in the tailpiece in my B&W, a distinctly art-nouveau tailpiece dominated by a giant poppy)? // John W Kennedy -- Hypatia Software -- "The OS/2 Hobbit" |
| 012 [Return to index] | Subject: ozzy digest | From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> |
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:53:20 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: ozzy digest Bob Spark: How Tik-Tok knew what the King of Ev did after locking him away -- possibly the King told him, "I'm going to drown this key in the sea and myself with it!" and when he never came back Tik-Tok assumed that he had done as planned. Gordon Birrell: One aspect of change from the first two Oz books to "Ozma" and several after would probably be in Baum's awareness that he had a series going. One difference that made was probably that he was beginning to wonder what was outside Oz -- because he enjoyed inventing geographies, and because he may have realized that he would sometimes want the freedom to write books in the series but set outside Oz (as "Ozma" mostly is), and because he may have realized that he would want to link his geographies together, although he didn't actually do it until two books later, in "Road." Ruth Berman |
| 013 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-29-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:57:16 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-29-97 Gordon: I'll have to think about other characteristics typical of the "second phase" of Baum's Oz books. One would certainly be "recycle the old characters," bringing back Dorothy in OZMA, the Wizard in DOTWIZ, Toto in ROAD, and Aunt Em (and to some extent Uncle Henry, though he had a cameo in OZMA) in EMERALD CITY. Another is "there's no danger in Oz;" all the dangerous situations in those four books, which I consider the second phase, are found outside Oz. (FWIW, I consider PATCHWORK GIRL to stand alone as the third phase, TIK-TOK through RINKITINK the fourth, and LOST PRINCESS through GLINDA as the fifth - and best.) And, as I mentioned earlier, those are the books where the child characters, especially Dorothy, exhibit bad diction. Although to be fair, some of the examples are probably more accurate phonetic spellings of the way most people really pronounce the word than the conventional spelling - "s'pose," for instance. Not many people even put a schwa into that first syllable (unless they're emphasizing the word for some reason); they just give a little extra sibilance to the "s" compared to the way a word spelled "spose" would be pronounced. Sometimes Dorothy has a white dress and white stockings, sometimes a white dress and blue stockings, and sometimes a blue dress and blue stockings. If I looked long enough, I might even find a case where she had a blue dress and white stockings. (And they must have both been pretty rank, even on a little girl, by the time she got to Oz - though in fact I guess she was only in them about four days.) It's my understanding, though, that all the color in all Neill-illustrated Oz books, except for the color plates in DOTWIZ and EMERALD CITY, was put in by the printer and not by Neill. And you can't expect a printer to have a high degree of respect for continuity. Speaking from the way my grandfather, who grew up on a farm not long before Dorothy, and who was a gentleman farmer later on, used the words, "chickens" in the plural referred generically to all the barnyard fowl of the species whose meat we call "chicken" (as in, "Time to go out and feed the chickens"); however, an individual member of the species was only called a "chicken" when it was immature. Once a hen began laying or a rooster crowing, they were "hen" or "rooster". I think that was the point Dorothy was making with Billina. Most people understand that difference when the shortened form "chick" is used (referring to the barnyard fowl, not young female homo sapiens), but even the full form of the word referred to a young one as my grandfather used it. More on OZMA: This has been remarked before, but not recently - in OZMA Ev and the Nome Kingdom are to the east of Oz, opposite the Munchkin country. All the directions given anywhere in the book are consistent with this interpretation. But in all the later books, they're opposite the Winkie country, whether the author sets the Winkie country on the west or east side of Oz. This is one of the really serious geographic problems, worse than explaining the flipping around of the countries inside Oz. There are a couple of conceivable explanations for that, but the only way I can see that Ev could change which country of Oz it was opposite would be a serious reversion of either Oz or the rest of Nonestica, and one would expect that anything so drastic would have been mentioned somewhere. (Maybe it became a repressed memory...) Another interesting question: why can Billina talk? When she speaks to Nanda, the maid is surprised she can talk, even though Nanda is obviously familiar with Evian chickens (since she puts Billina in their coop). If Evian chickens can't talk, why does being in Ev enable Billina to do so? There's considerable evidence that most animals can't talk throughout most of Nonestica outside Oz, though they can in Mo. Magical creatures like Bilbil and Pigasus are exceptions, of course, and dragons can talk in most legends, as well as in the Oz books wherever they're located. Something to mull over... David Hulan |
| 014 [Return to index] | Subject: Billina in Oz | From: BARRY ESHKOL ADELMAN <ADELMANB at adelvx.citadel.edu> |
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 18:42:37 -0400 (EDT) From: BARRY ESHKOL ADELMAN <ADELMANB at adelvx.citadel.edu> Subject: Billina in Oz Jodel, how do you know Billina wasn't part of Glinda's plan? It seems rather fortuitous that the rescue party just happened to run into Dorothy, who was still under the effects of Locasta's kiss, and the person (okay, critter) who would save their skin. Perhaps Glinda caused the storm, knowing this would bring Dorothy and Billina into their path. Thus, if a headstrong Ozma and her party failed, one of the greatest heroes in Oz and a smart chicken were there to save them. Come to think of it, does Ozma's rescue party seem any more well-considered than her (Tip's) gag on Mombi? |
| 015 [Return to index] | Subject: Today's Oz Growls | From: Richard Bauman <RBauman at compuserve.com> |
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 21:47:40 -0400 From: Richard Bauman <RBauman at compuserve.com> Subject: Today's Oz Growls JOdel The Unsigned - I think you are being much too hard on Ozma. "Gunboat diplomacy?" Surely you are jesting? Ozma is an immortal fairy. She may have enjoyed a brief rest as an ornament. She also has a friend, Glinda, with a magic book. "Hmmm, I wonder where Ozma is? Oops, there she is in the Gnome King's trinket collection." As far as I'm concerned, Glinda can pin the Gnome King with one finger, assuming Ozma can't extricate herself, which isn't clear. Thus..... Ozstensibly, Bear (:<) |
| 016 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-30-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:34:04 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-30-97 Bear: >I keep hearing Ozma's ear-warmers called poppies. They sure look that way >on p.116 and 258, even including the stems. However, every time I see them >I think "Poppies, phooey! They don't even have a scent. Peonies would >look better and smell nicer." But peonies don't have a narcotic effect, and in our BCF at least, _something_ must have been anesthetizing Ozma's brain! :-) (Of course, poppies don't have a narcotic effect just from being around them in our world. But in Oz they seem to...) Joyce: I think OZMA stands up to adult rereading better than many of Baum's books (like ROAD and DOTWIZ, in particular) because it has a well-defined goal. I'll admit that it's a little surprising, when looking at how far one is in the book at various points, to find that Ozma & company don't set off for the Nome King's dominions until just about halfway through the book. Which seconds your insight that this is Dorothy's book, not Ozma's - Ozma doesn't even appear in it until almost the midpoint (though she's mentioned earlier). In fact, Baum was pretty loose about his character-based titles - WIZARD and OZMA are mostly Dorothy's books, DOROTHY AND THE WIZARD more Zeb's than any other individual's, PATCHWORK GIRL Ojo's, TIK-TOK Betsy's, SCARECROW Trot's, RINKITINK Inga's, and TIN WOODMAN Woot's. GLINDA is arguably either Dorothy's or Ozma's, or even Ervic's, but not really Glinda's. But OZMA is still my favorite Oz book up to RINKITINK, and maybe even LOST PRINCESS. John K.: Assuming the BoW edition of LAND didn't omit any of the color plates, and I don't think it did, then there's no color plate of Ozma as a blonde. OZMA would be the first Oz book where Ozma was pictured in color, and that may well have been the reason why Neill changed her to a brunette in that book. David Hulan |
| 017 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 04-28-97 | From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> |
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 00:43:11 -0400
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 04-28-97
The first thing I noticed when reading "Ozma of Oz" was "Why did
Ozma's hair change from strawberry blonde to black?" When the text made no
mention at all of Ozma's hair color, I concluded the illustrator goofed or
deliberately disobeyed the author. That's why I usually portray Ozma with
reddish-gold hair now.
Ozma is also haughty.
Ozma looked around her proudly.
"Do you wish your ruler to plead with this wicked Nome King?" she
asked. "Shall Ozma of Oz humble herself to a creature who lives in an
underground kingdom?"
"No!" they all shouted, with big voices...
Thus Princess Ozma of Oz (cringe) comes across as less likable than
her alter-ego, Tip. (Though Tip was too given to pulling pig's tails and
playing tricks on Mombi to be strictly perfect, either.) Going from simple
peasant boy to ruler of all the land of Oz must have gone to her head, at
least for a while.As Baum did to the Tin Woodman.
Ozma: I was new to ruling at the time, and I thought princesses
were *supposed* to act that way.
Another Neill/Baum inconsistency: Baum says the Nome King has bushy
hair, Neill depicts the Nome King's hair & beard as slicked up & down into
points. In a later book, Baum goes along with Neill's depiction of his
villain. However, Baum never mentions Ozma's hair color again. Perhaps Baum
liked Neill's "suggestion" for the Nome King but not Ozma?
The usual human pattern is for head hair to be flowing and the
beard to be bushy. Suppose the Nome King's bushy hair and flowing beard
were meant to be subtle hints that the Nome King was not human?
"Zauberlinda the Wise Witch," an obvious imitation of "Wizard,"
featured a little girl who is lured to an underground kingdom by a Gnome
King. Since "Zauberlinda" predates "Ozma," one wonders if Baum pulled a
"turnabout is fair for all," and imitated his imitator. Come to think of
it, that would be a good way for Baum to hurt the sales of the rival book.
Oh, yes, and can anyone tell me how Languidere got all her heads?
Public executions? By other means?
It is also interesting that Baum characterizes her most beautiful
head as the meanest.
When I illustrated Phyllis Karr's "Gardener's Boy of Oz," I got
stuck when it came to portraying the Rackpat. So I wrote and asked her, "Is
your rackpat a mammal or a reptile? I cannot tell from the text." She made
the imaginative suggestion of making the rackpat a furry critter with
scales--so that's the way I drew him in the pics. She made other good
suggestions for illustrating her stories as well.
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| 018 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-30-97 | From: Ken Cope <pinhead at ozcot.com> |
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:59:41 -0700 From: Ken Cope <pinhead at ozcot.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-30-97 On Ozma/Leia: Whether intended it or not, I was hooked on that film the second I saw Leia discovered by threepio. Knocked back in my chair, I recognized the Ozma ref immediately. In 1977 I hadn't seen an Oz book since the last one I returned to the library 10 years earlier. The rule of references in film, or other media in general, is that if you are reminded of antecedent material, and it doesn't look like a cheap knock-off, there is at least a possibility that the author wanted an association to be made by their audience. Sometimes it's the author showing off, sometimes it's shorthand for gaining instant sympathy among a certain type of target fan. Certainly Star Wars is a collection of quotes from famous SF; it can easily be argued that Dune, (spice mines) and especially Foundation Trilogy are at least inspirational. (Han Solo was a Korellian.) I can't figure out whether the long skeleton in the desert was from a sandworm, or maybe it was just Terrybubble. ;) Ozma's poppies: This deserves an article, but Denslow went wild with the poppies, and it's my guess that Neill recognized a good thing when he saw it. This is from an era long before prohibition, or the war against drugs, and Opium poppies especially were associated in the mind of the average consumer of patent medicines with Laudanum. Just the thing to take unsettled children to the land of dreams. Also, Little Nemo's Princess of Slumberland, whose illustrator (Winsor McCay, the kick starter of animation as an art-form) Baum would have preferred for his tales, adorned the Princess of Slumberland in a crown and pair of side ornaments that had the same overall shape as the poppies. This was an era where not long before, Louisa May Alcott could publish a tale about a group of young girls who have an eventful, but innocent afternoon eating hashish with a dashing young medical student without the risk of a raised political eyebrow. For more than you might care to know about Laudanum, you might remember Poe was fond of it, as were many of the romantics. If you don't mind an evening of bizarre entertainment, you might sometime rent _Gothic_ by Ken (nothing exceeds like excess) Russel, wherein Percy Shelley, Mary Shelley, and the author of the first Vampire novel, all scare themselves silly on Laudanum in a foreboding castle, telling each other tales and having the horrors that they would later put to paper in novels like _Frankenstein_. So if anybody has followed the tale of Sandman, the tragedy of Morpheus, Dream of the Endless, that 70 plus comic book run contains many references to Oz, not the least of which is found in a trade poster where a pale Dream muses in his garden holding poppies. The Sandman series is available in about 8 or 9 trade paperbacks, and is enjoying a second run. They have started reissuing the series as a monthly (since the tale did end), and are up to maybe issue 10 by now. Highly recommended. Oz transcends mere dreams, of course. Ken Cope Ones & Zeroes SurReal Estate pinhead at ozcot.com |
| 019 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-30-97 | From: "Stephen J. Teller" <steller at pittstate.edu> |
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 10:24:59 -0700 From: "Stephen J. Teller" <steller at pittstate.edu> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-30-97 > > Still, OZMA OF OZ is an enjoyable story, and Billena is a strikingly successful > creation. She is unmistakably a hen in character and outlook, and one of the > few "adult" characters (yes, there were others) which Baum ever sent to Oz > who hadn't anything noticably peculiar about them. > Actually I consider Billina the true heroine of the story. > > Dave Hardenbrook wrote: > >One thing I've always wondered -- Since they're never mentioned at all in > >any FF text, how do we for certain that they *are* poppies, or that she > >*always* wears poppies, and doesn't also don hybiscus or elysium for > >variety? > > Because poppies are Romantic High Art. I don't know why, but they are. > (Of course given the tendencies of the _spaetromantik_ era in general, > one explanation comes to mind....) It's one little Art Nouveau idiom > that made it into post-Denslow Oz, somehow. > Perhaps the popularity of Poppies in the aesthetic movement was their association with rest and sleep (consider the deadly poppy field) and with opiates. Shakespeare's Iago (about 1604 says, "Not poppy nor mandragora . . . Shall ever Medice thee to that sweet sleep which thou owedst yesterday." Steve T. |
| 020 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-30-97 | From: sahutchi at cord.iupui.edu |
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 12:19:58 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi at cord.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-30-97 Dave, George Lucas admitted to being inspirfed by the Oz books, Flash Gordon, John Ford's _The Searchers_, Eiji Tsuburaya's _Ultraman_, and films by Ishiro Honda and Akira Kurosawa. I'm absolutely certain that Avalow in John Boorman's _Zardoz_ wears her hair like Princess Leia (that film was made in 1973, mind you) was a direct reference to Ozma. After all, it was inspired, in part, by the Oz books. Scott |
| 021 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-01-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 18:53:40 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-01-97 Barry: You could be right, although in my opinion you're making Glinda vastly more powerful than she seems to be elsewhere in the series. It's hard to imagine, for instance, that if she could cause a storm on the Pacific, so accurately controlled as to pop Dorothy and Billina off a ship without wrecking it, that she wouldn't be able to send Dorothy home at the end of either WIZARD or OZMA on her own, without bothering with silver shoes or magic belt. There's also the case of Billina's unfortunate coop-mates, who appear to have drowned because of the storm; would Glinda do that? On the other hand, it's certainly an amazing coincidence that Dorothy would turn up in Ev less than 24 hours before Ozma's expedition arrived, if there were no guiding intelligence involved. I'd be more inclined to suspect Lurline than Glinda, though. Bear: What Ozma was doing was, except for the fact that it was done on land, essentially the same thing as the classic "gunboat diplomacy" - which was what it was called when the representatives of a country that considered itself to have a higher set of moral standards used its clearly higher military technology to punish the inhabitants of countries who didn't share their moral views. The only problem was that Ozma was pretty ineffective; her "gunboat" turned out to be more of a canoe. Only a couple of amazing coincidences made the operation successful. You may be right, of course, that if Billina hadn't happened to overhear the conversation between Roquat and his steward, Glinda would have rescued Ozma. But if Glinda had that much power, why didn't she just liberate the Queen of Ev and her children without sending Ozma and her ridiculous little "army" to Ev? Melody: Since I didn't read the Oz books in sequence my first time through, I was more surprised when I finally read LAND (which was one of the last few I read in my initial "read all I can get hold of" phase back in 1942-45) and saw she was a blonde in it. OZMA was another one that I read relatively late in that phase, as far as that goes. (If anyone's interested, the ones I didn't read in that phase, besides the ones that hadn't been written yet, were CAPTAIN SALT, HANDY MANDY, WONDER CITY, and SCALAWAGONS.) >It is also interesting that Baum characterizes her [Langwidere's] most beautiful >head as the meanest. I don't think this is strictly true. That is, he neither says that her No. 17 head is her most beautiful one (just that it's particularly beautiful) or that it's her meanest (just that it has a bad disposition that causes her to do things while wearing it that she regretted with wearing her other heads). It seems unlikely that Langwidere got her heads from public executions. Beautiful women are rarely executed. I would guess that she got them from a fairy godmother or something of the sort. After all, when she wanted Dorothy's head she was going to swap one of her other heads for it. Ken C.: There's a classic 19th century book, though from the opposite end from Baum, called CONFESSIONS OF AN OPIUM EATER. De Quincey, or something like that. I've never read it, but have seen quite a lot of references to it. And I can remember my high school Latin teacher reminiscing about being sent down to the drugstore by her next-door neighbor, when she was a little girl, to pick up an ounce of opium. (I also remember a friend of mine telling me about having tried smoking opium when he was in China while in the Navy shortly after WW II. He said it gave him technicolor daydreams, which were sort of neat, but it wasn't worth the hassle of getting hold of it.) David Hulan |
| 022 [Return to index] | Subject: Today's Oz Growls | From: Richard Bauman <RBauman at compuserve.com> |
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:49:28 -0400 From: Richard Bauman <RBauman at compuserve.com> Subject: Today's Oz Growls Oh no David! You are not going to start the idea that Ozma is hooked on her poppies? I know that recreational drugs were not illegal in Baum's time but surely not. :) Melody - I am amazed you characterize Ozma as "haughty." She is an immortal fairy and the ruler of Oz. I thought her behavior was perfectly consistant with her position. Oz isn't some commune where everyone is "equal." Monarchically, Bear (:<) |
| 023 [Return to index] | Subject: Wierd Magical Properties in Oz | From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu> |
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 19:55:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu> Subject: Wierd Magical Properties in Oz 1) Barry et al., perhaps Glinda had nothing to do with Dorothy ending up in Ev. An anomalously large number of unusual events, many of them magical, seem to happen in Dorothy's presence. This can be explained in one of two ways: 1) She is a favorite character of Oz writers. 2) She has a property which makes her a virtual magnet for magical and improbable events. Undoubtedly the second is the correct explination. (: Other characters which may have such a property are Trot, Cap'n Bill, the Wizard, Peter, and Speedy, all of which travelled to enchanted countries at least twice spontaneously; once is extremely rare, but what are the chances for a repeat? More study of this problem would be indicated. Aaron Solomon (ben Saul Joseph) Adelman adelman at ymail.yu.edu North Antozian Systems and The Martian Empire |
| 024 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-30-97 | From: Kiex at aol.com |
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 23:01:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Kiex at aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 04-30-97 Re Billina and role as eavesdropper/"narrator": Many authors create characters such as that to expedite the telling of the story. Melody: I don't think Ozma displays haughtiness in her comments, <"Do you wish your ruler to plead with this wicked Nome King?" she asked. "Shall Ozma of Oz humble herself to a creature who lives in an underground kingdom?"> This is said for effect and to keep her followers following her, so to speak. Dramatic effect, not haughtiness! Until next time, Kiex (alias Jeremy Steadman) |
| 025 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> |
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 09:03:38 -0500
From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
Joyce:
I agree with Bear that Ozma's interventionism isn't really "gunboat
diplomacy":--I think of her group more as a human-rights delegation, though
it's true that she brings along an army to back her up, and the abused human
rights in question happen to be those of fellow royalty. I find it
interesting that there is in fact so much discussion in the book of the
legal ramifications of Ozma's intervention, and it is primarily Tik-Tok, the
mechanical man, who argues along strictly legalistic lines with regard to
the contractual arrangements between Evoldo and the Nome King. (Could Baum
have been making a comment on lawyers?)
I have always assumed, incidentally, that Evoldo had already reached his
decision to commit suicide by the time he locked Tik-Tok up--otherwise why
would he do such a thing to his useful and loyal servant?--and informed the
mechanical man of his intention to throw both himself and the key into the
sea.
Since there has been quite a bit of talk about BoW's discreet correction of
typographical errors, I'd like to report that as far as I can see, every one
of the typos from the first state are intact in the BoW edition ("Noma King"
on p. 112; "you re" on p. 208; "now useful" (for "how useful") on p. 118;
"it's next visitor" on p. 213; and a couple of others). In other words,
this really does appear to be a true facsimile edition except for the
understandable omission of the ad page.
--Gordon Birrell
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| 026 [Return to index] | Subject: ozzy digest | From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> |
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 10:24:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: ozzy digest
Melody Grandy: I don't think having a Gnome/Nome King in both
"Ozma" and "Zauberlinda" would undercut the sales of the earlier book,
but it seems plausible that "Zauberlinda" help alerted Baum to the idea
that gnomes could be fun to write about. (As I discussed in my
Dunkiton pamphlet on gnomes, though, Baum would almost certainly
have also been familiar with the gnomes who were popular figures in
operetta throughout the 19th century.)
How Languidere got heads -- perhaps she made artificial heads
(like the ones the Magical Monarch of Mo tried when the Purple
Dragon swallowed his) and paid women to swap? If the heads
weren't any better than the Mo ones, the deals weren't very fair,
though. (If the artificial heads were a lot better than the Mo heads,
Languidere herself might have been using artificial ones. But her
intention of swapping with Dorothy implies that she'd done similar
deals before.)
Ruth Berman
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| 027 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Things | From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com> |
Date: Fri, 02 May 97 12:52:51 (PDT)
From: Dave Hardenbrook <DaveH47 at delphi.com>
Subject: Ozzy Things
OZMA'S FIRST 100 DAYS:
Bear wrote:
>Oh no David! You are not going to start the idea that Ozma is hooked on
>her poppies?
FWIW IMHO, one of the most un-Ozzy things in any Oz book is in _Healing
Power of Oz_, when one of the visiting Outside-World criminals attempts
to purloin Ozma's poppies in order to manufacture narcotics...But then,
I'm on record believing that it's OK to have "Un-Ozzy" behavior from an
Oz *villian*...
FWIW, Ozma *was* just starting out her rule in _Ozma_ and I think she acted
as she best knew how under the circumstances...The only time I really
fault her is in _Glinda_, because she knew better then!
Ozma: Sigh...Even *I* make mistakes...
Jellia:
Actually, "Do you wish your ruler to humble herself to a creature who lives
in an underground kingdom?" was only her for-the-record remark...Her off-the-
record remark was, "Do you wish your ruler to bring herself down to the
sub-human level of this vile, ruthless, smelly twerp of such sickening
anti-social smeggy-ness that he lives underground away from decent,
peaceloving souls?" But she *does* believe in diplomacy, after all.
<Giggle, giggle!>
Ozma: Thank you, Jellia. :) :)
-- Dave
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| 028 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-02-97 | From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu> |
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 22:00:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-02-97 Aaron: One of our old threads in the DIGEST concerned the inordinate number of things that just seem to happen around some of the major Oz characters. Many of us, IIRC, believe in what Robert Jordan calls the Ta'averen concept. In other words, as you guessed, these characters have properties that cause crossroads in the sequences of important events. Robin O. |
| 029 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-02-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 11:26:17 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-02-97 Bear: I didn't say Ozma was _hooked_ on her poppies; just that her actions in OZMA aren't inconsistent with her being under the influence of something that diminished her mental capacity. :-) Aaron: You could add Button-Bright to your list of those who traveled to enchanted countries more than once - though I suppose that technically his trips to Sky Island and Mo weren't "spontaneous", since he used the magic umbrella. OTOH, by that argument Trot and Cap'n Bill probably don't qualify either; their only "spontaneous" trip was in SCARECROW, since both their earlier adventures were entered into with premeditation. David Hulan |
| 030 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> |
Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 12:18:00 -0500 From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> Subject: Ozzy Digest Bear: >Ozma is an immortal fairy. >She may have enjoyed a brief rest as an ornament. She also has a friend, >Glinda, with a magic book. "Hmmm, I wonder where Ozma is? Oops, there she >is in the Gnome King's trinket collection." As far as I'm concerned, >Glinda can pin the Gnome King with one finger, assuming Ozma can't >extricate herself, which isn't clear. This is the old deus-ex-machina problem again, i.e., "If you've got a problem, why not go straight to Glinda?" The way I see it, though, is that it's anything but clear that Glinda *could* have reversed the ornament spell. She has considerable expertise in certain kinds of magic but is thoroughly stumped, for instance, by Coo-ee-oh's spell in _Glinda_, and her evident interest in holding on to the Magic Belt at the end of _Ozma_ indicates that the belt exercises magic powers that she doesn't already possess. On the other hand, Glinda might be able to "pin" Roquat and force him to undo the spell himself, but is there any evidence that her powers extend to the areas beyond the borders of Oz? (And isn't that one of the most extraordinary features of the Magic Belt--that its magic range extends even into the "real" world?) On collectable/collectible: An antique dealer once informed me that "collectable" is an adjective and "collectible" is a noun. Speaking of collectibles, it strikes me that there are some intriguing parallels between Roquat's underground rooms filled with ornaments and Langwidere's inner chamber filled with heads in mirrored cupboards. In some ways Langwidere is turning herself into a living ornament by switching out one decorative head for another. What fascinates me here is that the idea of a purely "ornamental" existence was very much in the air at the turn of the century. The dedication of one's life to the pursuit of beauty, the rejection of "useful" activities, the attempt to make one's existence into a work of art: these ideas were familiar to a whole generation of poets and aesthetes, from Rimbaud to Rilke and beyond. Hofmannsthal, in the poem that he wrote as an introduction to Schnitzler's _Anatol_, describes his contemporaries as existing in a kind of enchanted garden behind heavy rusty gates, perfumed voluptuaries reclining decorously and langorously, as immobile and as artificial as the antique sculptures and topiary hedges that adorn the garden. I also think of Yeats, in "Sailing to Byzantium" (1927), wishing himself "out of nature" and into a form of pure artifice "of hammered gold and gold enameling . . .set upon a golden bough to sing / To lords and ladies of Byzantium / Of what is past, or passing, or to come." Dorothy's reaction to the Nome King's subterranean palace could describe as well the feelings of Americans encountering the hothouse atmosphere of European Decadence: "Yes, it was a beautiful place; but enchantments lurked in every nook and corner, and she had not yet grown accustomed to the wizardries of these fairy countries, so different from the quiet and sensible common-places of her own native land." --Gordon Birrell |
| 031 [Return to index] | Subject: Enchanted Island of Yew | From: Peter Hanff <phanff at library.berkeley.edu> |
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 18:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Peter Hanff <phanff at library.berkeley.edu> Subject: Enchanted Island of Yew Hi Dave, There has been sufficient discussion lately of the image of poppies worn as ornaments by Ozma of Oz that I thought some readers might want to know that the central fairy character of Baum's 1903 fantasy, _The Enchanted Island of Yew_, sports a pair of poppies as well. Indeed the image was fairly common in art-nouveau posters of the period, as well. The cover image, drawn by Fanny Y Cory, is decidely art-nouveau in style. Alphonse Mucha certainly used such an image in some of his posters. The diaphonous garment of the fairy is stamped in pale coral, the petals of the iris (?) are stamped in mauve, and the dazzling tip of the fairy's staff is stamped in yellow. I'll attempt to attach a "tif" version of the first-edition cover for those who are interested in seeing the image. The voluptuousness of Fanny Cory's drawing is striking enough in 1997, but one wonders about its impact in 1903. Peter Hanff Attachment Converted: "c:\Dave\Internet\Archive\merle.tif" |
| 032 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-02-97 | From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> |
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 22:19:12 -0400
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-02-97
To: "Dave L. Hardenbrook" <DaveH47 at delphi.com>
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Ozma in "Ozma" still sounds a bit prejudiced against people who
live underground. "Shall Ozma of Oz grovel to a wicked Nome who enslaves
innocent people?" would have sounded more like she wasn't simply
prejudiced, or thought she was better than, "creatures" who live in
underground kingdoms . :-)
Sorry, Bear, but the words, "I am better than you," whether
explicit or implied, have been "fighting words!!" throughout history. In
the Bible, even God himself has been known to use the word, "Please," which
is how Dorothy persuaded the Nome King to give her friends an audience.
:-) :-) Hmmm. Baum sneaked in a lesson on good manners in that episode,
didn't he?
Graciously and egalitarianly yours,
Melody Grandy
P.S. Baum also slipped in more fatherly advice for children earlier
in the book. In "Dorothy Opens the Dinner Pail," he says, after she eats,
"Dorothy packed the rest of the food back into the pail, so as not to be
wasteful of good things..." Baum doesn't badger and browbeat his reader; he
kindly passes on his advice and then goes on with the story.
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| 033 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-03-97 | From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu> |
Date: Sat, 03 May 1997 22:11:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-03-97 Gordon: As is frequently the case, there's good food for thought in your last post. Living for aesthetic pleasure...Baum just might have been playing with that. Langwidere does as little as possible. Roquat's extensive collection may be a dig at collectors, as well as at aesthetes. Baum says:"...the underground palace was quite a museum of rare and curious and costly objects." His description indicates that the collection was kept in a suite of rooms used exclusively to house it, not just scattered through palace rooms that had any other function other than to be beautiful and show off the collectibles. --Robin |
| 034 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: JOdel at aol.com |
Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 00:20:04 -0400 (EDT) From: JOdel at aol.com Subject: Ozzy Digest I can't buy the "manufactured storm" theory, but I CAN believe that the entry in the Great Book that "Dorothy Gale of Kansas has been swept overboard in a chicken coop in the South Pacific" showed up just about when Glinda, or whoever she set to monitoring the progress of Ozma's expedition, took up their watch. Locasta's kiss kept the coop afloat, and Billena's own tenatiousness kept her on board. Glinda, remembering the child, MIGHT very well have made the time/space shift to bring the coop from the Pacific into the Nonectic, (as Ozma did in ROAD) placing it in Evian coastal waters, and may have managed to send some sort of Ozian influence to grant her companion the power of speech (and intellegence). If this is accepted, it may be assumed that Glinda, still monitoring the progress, made sure that Billina woke up in time to hear the discussion between Roquat and Kaliko that was going on over her head. |
| 035 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-03-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 12:00:02 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-03-97 Gordon: I don't know about the technical usages in the business world, but generally speaking "-able" is a "live" suffix in English, which means it can be attached to any verb or verb phrase, even new coinages. (E.g., a "bootable" disk.) "-ible", on the other hand, isn't "live"; it's properly used only with verbs appropriated fairly directly from the Latin 3d and 4th declensions. However, since "collect" is such a verb, either ending is linguistically acceptable. (At least, I've seen this analysis in a linguistic publication, not specifically for "collect" but for a similar verb. I'm not a professional in linguistics myself, and the above may be disputed by those who are, for all I know.) I think the attitude of living as an ornament that you speak of was pretty common in the wealthy classes through most of history, especially for the women. (It was OK for men to fight and be in politics, though heaven forfend that they do anything useful.) The _fin de siecle_ decadence of a century ago wasn't particularly new; it's just that it was the last flicker of a traditional way of life that was to largely disappear in the 20th century. (It never struck very deep roots in America.) Peter H.: Definitely that fairy on the cover of YEW is one sexy babe. Did Cory do that one? The style looks very different from her interior illustrations, besides which I know that I've seen that same illustration on the cover of another book somewhere. I thought maybe Bobbs-Merrill used it as a kind of stock cover for their fairy-tale books. David Hulan |
| 036 [Return to index] | Subject: Oz | From: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> |
Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 12:42:17 -0400 From: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> Subject: Oz Dorothy: Clearly, many usual thigns happen to Dorothy, but I'll lean to the theory that it is either coincidence, or Dorothy being some kind of magent to magical events. As David Hulan says, if Glinda has that much power, then many things in Ozian history would be different. Ozma and her Gunboats: When Roquat originally balked, Ozma mentioned that "I am here with my friends and my army to conquer your kingdom and oblige you to obey my wishes". While Roquat did not seem threatened by this display of bravado, Ozma is indeed close to the line of Gunboat diplomacy, if not across it. --Tyler Jones |
| 037 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 11-13-96 | From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> |
Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 15:45:45 -0400
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 11-13-96
Upon first reading of Ozma of Oz, I instantly disliked the changes the
illustrator had wrought in both Ozma and Dorothy--changing Ozma's hair from
blonde to dark, and then his Dorothy--she didn't look like Dorothy to me,
but a rich relative who had been miscast in the part. And as it turned out,
that's exactly what Neill had done. A Baum Bugle article said he used a
couple of well-dressed girl relatives as models for Dorothy and Ozma. By
rights, he should have kept Ozma a blonde, and made Dorothy the brunette.
Ruth:
What kind of materials did the Monarch of Mo have his artificial
heads made out of? Alas, I no longer have a copy of "The Magical Monarch of
Mo" in my possession. Hmmm. If some of Languidere's heads WERE artificial,
wouldn't some of her subjects have noticed? As it was, they knew she
*could* change her appearance, but didn't know why. Her heads, even if some
are artificial, must look almost exactly like flesh and blood.
Melody Grandy
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| 038 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-04-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 18:47:17 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-04-97 Joyce: I doubt Glinda has the power to shift Dorothy and her raft from the Pacific to the Nonestic. Transportation spells in general don't seem to be her forte. (She couldn't even transport Ozma and Dorothy out of the Skeezer dome.) Can anyone think of a case where she actually transported someone from one place to another by magic? She twisted the path from Oogaboo so that it crossed the Deadly Desert instead of going into the rest of Oz, but that's not quite the same thing. Giving Billina the power of speech (and maybe intelligence, if she didn't already have that), on the other hand, and waking Billina at the appropriate moment to overhear Roquat and his steward talking, both seem to be very possible applications of her power. Melody: If Neill's illustrations of Dorothy and Ozma were based on a couple of Neill's relatives, I can understand why he made Ozma the brunette and Dorothy the blonde. Dorothy, after all, was supposed to be rather pretty, but not truly beautiful (according the Langwidere); Ozma, on the other hand, was supposed to be extraordinarily beautiful. And looking at his drawings, there's no doubt that his brunette relative was much more beautiful than his blonde one. (I don't know how difficult it would be for an artist to transpose the hair from one to the other, or just to change the hair color of a model, not being at all artistic myself [at least in the graphic-arts realm; I think I have some degree of artistry with words].) The King of Mo had heads of candy, dough, and wood before he regained his proper one. (There's something of a parallel with King Fumbo in GRAMPA, who had his head replaced with cabbage and dough, along with an offer of an iron one. Don't know if Thompson was familiar with MO or not.) David Hulan |
| 039 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-04-97 | From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> |
Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 22:20:39 -0400
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-04-97
About the Giant with the Hammer:
In Oz-Wonderland War, the iron giant is given enough intelligence
to attempt the deliberate smashing of our heroes. The same was done in the
much earlier _Oz Encounter_ featuring Doc Phoenix and his ability to enter
people's mindscapes. The Oz of _Encounter_ was a little girl's mindscape,
and also one of the earliest dark visions of Oz that I remember being
written.
Ruth:
Though perhaps Baum meant for his description fo be metaphorical
rather than literal, when our heroes return from the underground kingdom,
they find Princess Languidere: "admiring one of her handsomest heads--one
with rich chestnut hair, dreamy walnut eyes, and a shapely hickorynut
nose." :-) :-)
Back before the turn of the century, women of the noble and wealthy
classes *were* expected to be ornamental and useless--proof of their or
their husbands' great wealth. One such woman, complaining to her seller
that her silk shoes had come apart at the first wearing, recieved the
reply, "But Madame, you must have *walked* in them!" :-) :-) Footbinding
was done to women in the Orient for similar reasons.
Melody Grandy
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| 040 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> |
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 11:30:59 -0500
From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
David:
>The _fin de siecle_
>decadence of a century ago wasn't particularly new; it's just that it
>was the last flicker of a traditional way of life that was to largely
>disappear in the 20th century. (It never struck very deep roots in
>America.)
I hardly ever disagree with anything you say, but in this case I think
you're wrong. Turn-of-the-century aestheticism (or "decadence," in the eyes
of the middle class) wasn't just the last flicker of a centuries-old
tradition of artistocratic self-indulgence, though that tradition received
various nostalgic tributes in fin-de-siecle culture (Hofmannsthal's garden,
in the poem, contains among other things a tapestry based on a Watteau
painting, and the whole atmsophere is described as evoking "das Wien von
Caneletto"; similar associations are present in _Der Rosenkavalier_). What
is new here is a radicalized form of the Romantic dictum "truth is beauty;
beauty, truth": art for the first time becomes the principal supplier of
the meaning of life, supplanting religion and/or science. The artist
assumes a priestly function, mediating the mysteries of existence to the
less enlightened. This is one of the principal points that Kandinsky made
in his 1912 treatise "On the Spiritual in Art," which set the stage for
twentieth-century abstraction. In the new aestheticism, art declares its
independence from everyday reality, and it particularly declares its
independence from all notions of utility, pragmatical purpose, and moral
improvement. ("All art is quite useless," is the way Oscar Wilde put it,
proudly.) What was also radically new here was that the devotees of
aesthetic culture were no longer primarily the traditionally idle
aristocrats, but a whole generation of upper-middle-class young people who
bought into the idea of cultivating the senses and making their lives into
refined works of art, retreating into an exquisite self-enclosed pleasure
garden, turning their backs on the courseness and philistinism of politics
and the business world. Carl Schorske's _Fin-de-siecle Vienna_ gives a very
good overview of the socio-economic factors that led these offspring of
liberal bourgeois parents to embrace an "amoral cultivation of feelings."
There's an enormous difference, in other words, between the conventional
pampered artistocrats, who still considered beauty an ornament of power, and
the likes of Sar Paladin and his circle who cultivated beauty for beauty's
sake. I also think of the German poet Stefan George with his private park
in Munich, in which he sat resplendent in flowing white priestly raiments
while middle-class youths dressed in monastic black robes moved about at a
stately pace reading from George's slim, delicate volumes of verse. There's
something of this in the description of Glinda among her maidens in the
opening chapter of _Glinda of Oz_, though Baum is careful to state that the
maidens are still involved in something marginally useful such as
embroidery; and Glinda's decorous group is certainly not inspired by the
George circle but no doubt from parallel images such as the paintings of
Puvis de Chavanne and his many imitators.
As for the idea that all of this largely disappeared in the modern world:
how nice it would be if the self-absorbed pursuit of sensory gratification
had *not* become an increasingly prominent factor in twentieth-century life.
(There will be a pop quiz on this material at the end of the hour. :-) )
Robin:
Good point that Baum was poking fun at obsessive collectors. It's amusing
to think of the Nome King appearing (like Jane!) on a super-collector
segment of Personal FX, escorting a dazzled Ayo Haynes through his palatial
underground chambers.
Ayo: Tell us, Roquat. What piece got you started on your super-collection?
Roquat: Well, Ayo, as a matter of fact it was this little ruby vase that I
picked up at a royal auction and tag sale at the castle in Ev. Later I cut
a very good deal with King Evoldo to get a particularly nice set of
ornaments, but I'm afraid I won't be able to show you any of those. A gang
of armed robbers made off with the entire set as well as a number of other
pieces, and I'm sorry to say that none of these items was insured.
Ayo: That was really a tough break, Roquat. I'm sure all of our viewers
will commiserate with you. And now back to John and Clare in New York!
* * *
Peter Hanff & Dave:
Thanks for making the cover to _Enchanted Island of Yew_ available to us
all. I must say that's a fairly steamy image for the cover of a children's
book!
--Gordon Birrell
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| 041 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-02-97 | From: sahutchi at cord.iupui.edu |
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 12:09:57 -0500 (EST) From: sahutchi at cord.iupui.edu Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-02-97 David Hulan, _Confessions of an English Opium Eater_ was a semi-autobiographical work by Thomas De Quincey. It was later filmed by MGM (without "English" in the title, and we know how that goes with MGM). Among the cast was Yvonne Moray, one of the Lullaby Leaguers. Thomas De Quincey's _Suspiria de Profundis_ was the inspiration for Dario Argento's modern classic horror-fantasies about witches, _Suspiria_ (1977), and _Inferno_ (1980), which I highly reccommend to adult members of the digest who don't mind being truly shocked by a film. Dario Argento is quite an artist. Alec Wilder was one of four composers for _The Wonderful Land of Oz_, and according to firefly (www.firefly.com), most of the songs in that compilation were in that film, though some it says were exclusively by Loonis McGlohon. The other composers (who did the underscoring) were George Linsenmann and Ralph Falco. The price on my copy of the film has been upped to forty dollars, but I haven't paid any yet. Although this would technically be considered a bootleg, the print is going to be cleaned up and professionally processed. The total cost is going to be $55 dollars, byt since Scott Peters's Boston contact screwed it up the first time, wityh an extremely bad transfer that I did not see, some of the cost is coming out of his pocket, and I'm paying Scott what he paid his friend for it. Scott |
| 042 [Return to index] | Subject: ozzy digest | From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> |
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 15:57:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: ozzy digest
Gordon Birrell and Robin Olderman: Interesting comments on
Langwidere and Ruggedo and the ornamental life. Coo-ee-oh's
contentment after she's been turned into a diamond swan ("Glinda"),
and the Lonesome Duck's enjoyment of its solitary artistry ("Magic")
might be considered as showing similar attitudes?
Melody Grandy: The heads in
"Monarch of Mo" were made out of candy, bread, and wood. None of
these was very satisfactory, but they worked as heads. As you say, if
any of Langwidere's heads are artificial, they'd have to be a lot more
convincing in appearance. Still, perhaps Smith of Smith & Tinker had
the artistry to come up with some fully human-looking heads-to-go, if
he'd set himself to it?
Ruth Berman
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| 043 [Return to index] | Subject: A Dog Yet to be Known as Prince in Oz? | From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu> |
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:53:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu> Subject: A Dog Yet to be Known as Prince in Oz? On Billina: After _Ozma_, she hatches out many children. I take it for granted that she needed a rooster to do this, even in Oz. While there is no reason Billina's mate need be a major character, not only does he never appear on stage, he is never even mentioned. The Emerald City chicken colony could not even be the result of a single romantic encounter, as Billina continues to have children after her first batch. Therefore Billina's mate must still be around! Nice problem, huh? Aaron Solomon (ben Saul Joseph) Adelman adelman at ymail.yu.edu North Antozian Systems and The Martian Empire |
| 044 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-05-97 | From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu> |
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:05:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Robin Olderman <robino at tenet.edu> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-05-97 Gordon: To continue the silliness, can't you see Roquat on PBS's (I'm gonna probably get the name wrong here) _Antiques Road Show_? People bring in their collectibles for appraisal. Roquat, masquerading as an Iowa farmer, wearing bib overalls: "Well, sonny, I got this here green piggy with the whistle as part of a gambling debt this gal owed me. It's silver, under the paint, y'know." Appraiser:"Sir, I'm afraid the *tin* pig is of little value other than as a curiosity, but I *do* want to examine your gold card receiver..." ----------------- David: I think you're right that Glinda is weak on transportation spells. I can't think of a time when she used one of her own. --Robin |
| 045 [Return to index] | Subject: Oz | From: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> |
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 22:07:50 -0400 From: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> Subject: Oz Glinda: I cannot remember any incident where she transported something, except in the non-FF _Oz and the Three Witches_, where she summoned her Pearl of Truth to herself in the Emerald City. Since this is a magic item that belongs to her, it may be different than actually transporting a living being. --Tyler Jones |
| 046 [Return to index] | Subject: Oz and Evs | From: w_baldwin at juno.com (Warren H Baldwin) |
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 21:02:43 -0800 (PST) From: w_baldwin at juno.com (Warren H Baldwin) Subject: Oz and Evs Digest of 5/1: David, I really don't see the ubiquitous Ev as a problem. The map is not the territory. The explanation is simple: Ev is split geographically, though our Oz informants have not specifically said so. The United States has two geographically far-flung states, not to mention various "possessions"; why not Oz? I must admit that I sometimes weary of the ability of those educated at _good_ universities quickly to turn the discussion of any topic into verbal quicksand. One wonders whether they are able (assuming they are not also technically trained) ever to come to a definitive conclusion about anything, except possibly contract terms, tenure, or perks. :-) |
| 047 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-05-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 10:25:56 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-05-97 Gordon: I guess we were talking at cross-purposes - I was aware (though I obviously haven't studied it much) of the kind of aestheticism you had in mind, and agree that it (as satirized in PATIENCE) was something new. I am not, however, under the impression that it went very deep into the culture of the day, but believe it was more of a fringe movement - influential in artistic circles, but not elsewhere. (Like, say, twelve-tone music.) I may be wrong about that, though; I wasn't around at the time, and it's not a period that I've read a lot about. In any case, I don't think Langwidere reflects the "high aesthetic line" nearly as much as she does the very traditional upper-class avoidance of doing anything useful, and I thought that was what we were talking about. Loved your FX interview with Roquat! David Hulan |
| 048 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-05-97 | From: JOdel at aol.com |
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 11:52:20 -0400 (EDT) From: JOdel at aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-05-97 Regarding decadence; This seems to be a concept which is highly attractive to the human character. About every 30 years or so an outbreak takes place somewhere. And, as stated, it was generally localized and taken up only by the leisure class (or the as-yet-unemployed young of the nearest middle class). But as communications improved through the 19th century these outbreaks began to gain the capability of becomming more widespread. You're right, the influence of the Symbolists (which were the fin de seicle crop of decadents) spread much farther than the earlier movements had _in their own time_. Earlier movements (such as the Romantics, which made enough of a splash to have left a template for just about all the later itterations to adapt to fit) had had far-reaching effects and repercussions after the movement itself petered out All such movements seem to have in common a love for exaggerated dress, hedonistic behavior and the underlying theme of "we're all doomed, what does anything matter? Gesture is everything." The Beats and the punk rockers come immediately to mind. More than one of these movements seem to have been preceded by another, equally exagerated in appearance, but with an optimistic outlook, eventually determined by society as a whole as being "mostly harmless", which may be what sets off the darker phase. And you are quite right. Languidere is a figure right out of the Symbolist arsenal (possibly Matterlink. Anyone here ever read The Blue Bird?). |
| 049 [Return to index] | Subject: ozzy digest | From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> |
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:18:05 -0600 (CST) From: Ruth Berman <berma005 at maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: ozzy digest Melody Grandy: Hmm, yes, Langwidere does seem to have quite a nutty head there. Ruth Berman |
| 050 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-06-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
| 051 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest Submission - How to Get Ahead | From: earlabbe at juno.com (Earl C. Abbe) |
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 07:36:59 -0400 (EDT) From: earlabbe at juno.com (Earl C. Abbe) Subject: Ozzy Digest Submission - How to Get Ahead In the 5/2 Digest, Ruth Berman hypothesizes that Princess Langwidere <made artificial heads ... and paid women to swap>. In the 5/5 Digest, Melody notes an instance of Langwidere <"admiring one of her handsomest heads--one with rich chestnut hair, dreamy walnut eyes, and a shapely hickorynut nose."> One would have to be crazy to accept the deal suggested, but clearly one of Langwidere's heads was indeed nuts. Earl Abbe |
| 052 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-05-97 | From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> |
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 20:09:08 -0400
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-05-97
David:
>(I don't know how difficult it would be
for an artist to transpose the hair from one to the other, or just to
change the hair color of a model, not being at all artistic myself [at
least in the graphic-arts realm; I think I have some degree of artistry
with words].)<
In "Ozma," Ozma's hair looks like a coloring-book job done in black
ink. That would be simple even for a manually dexterous non-artistt--as
long as a good artist had drawn Ozma herself to begin with.
I do admire Neill as an artist--which makes me cringe when he goofs
up on his illustrations. And he does it again and again! Baum says Head 17
has black hair--and Neill made it blonde. I liked his style in _Land of
Oz_. His later highly-detailed pictures look more technically impressive,
but I think kids would be more put off by them. (At least I would be.)
Melody Grandy
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| 053 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-06-97 | From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> |
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 23:50:37 -0400 From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-06-97 Aaron: >On Billina: After _Ozma_, she hatches out many children. I take it for granted that she needed a rooster to do this, even in Oz. While there is no reason Billina's mate need be a major character, not only does he never appear on stage, he is never even mentioned. The Emerald City chicken colony could not even be the result of a single romantic encounter, as Billina continues to have children after her first batch. Therefore Billina's mate must still be around! Nice problem, huh?< Baum apparently forgot that Dorothy was awakened by the crow of a green rooster and the cackling of a green hen that had just laid an egg in "Wizard." She was staying at the Palace at the time. Bear: < You'll have to refresh me as to this "better than you" comment?< It referred to Ozma's remark: "Shall Ozma of Oz humble herself to a creature who lives in an underground kingdom?" Which implies surface dwellers are better than underground dwellers. And if you know anything that has caused more fights throughout history than the royal "I am better than you" attitude , let me know. :-) :-) Melody Grandy |
| 054 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> |
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 10:07:27 -0500 From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> Subject: Ozzy Digest It's interesting that some of us on the Digest think of Dorothy as the principal heroine of _Ozma_ and others opt for Billina. I got to thinking about this when I was reading Brian Attebery's essay, "Oz", in Michael Hearn's edition of _WWoO_ (Schocken Books, 1983). Attebery sees the Dorothy of the first book as representing not only a generic little girl but also a specifically American type, namely the lively, resourceful, level-headed frontier woman. It occurs to me that in some ways Baum split the original character of Dorothy into two separate figures in _Ozma_: the new Dorothy is much more a little girl who keeps getting into scrapes and needs to be rescued (including that archetypal damsel-in-distress motif of being locked in a tower) while Billina takes over much of the original Dorothy's no-nonsense farm-woman pluckiness. --Gordon Birrell |
| 055 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-08-97 | From: dsparker at mail.utexas.edu (Douglass S. Parker) |
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 17:26:47 -0400 (EDT)
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From: dsparker at mail.utexas.edu (Douglass S. Parker)
Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-08-97
[a] I'm swamped by term-end, and haven't been only spottily keeping up
with OD since mid-April;
[b] given the present climate of opinion, I'm chary of bringing this up at all...
BUT, since we won't be considering OZMA forever:
Has anyone ever pointed out parallels between Langwidere and the
menstrual cycle? A man's idea, I'd say, including PMS: Thirty heads, one
for each day; one of the thirty [was it #17?] especially fiery, quick to
fly off the handle; admittance [not the word, but I'm packing] by a key
carved "from a single blood-red ruby."
Maybe someone has, and I'm off the hook. But, otherwise...
Exit, stage left, in considerable hurry. Without a word about Billina
and eggses...
Doug Parker
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| 056 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-08-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 19:19:59 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-08-97 Melody: All I can say is that when I was a kid I loved Neill's illustrations, and still do. Even though they're not very consistent with the text. Gordon: Interesting theory on the Dorothy/Billina relationship. I don't really think that Dorothy is that much less resourceful in OZMA than in WIZARD, though. In the latter, aside from her burst of temper when she wiped out the WWW, she mostly just follows the advice of her companions. In OZMA she's considerably feistier than in WIZARD, I think. David Hulan |
| 057 [Return to index] | Subject: The Chickens of Oz | From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu> |
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 20:27:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron S. Adelman" <adelman at ymail.yu.edu> Subject: The Chickens of Oz 1) Ruth et al., hmm, OK, so the Emerald City chicken colony wasn't started by Billina. Dogs and horses, however, seem to be limited to small areas, some of which may be purely nonhistorical. View Halloo and the Dogwood, for example, seem a little too one-track-minded to have come into existence historically. (Corabia, Corumbia, and the Hidden Valley do seem more likely to be historical, though.) High Boy the Giant Horse is almost certainly nonhistorical, and if not, is certainly of magical origin. Aaron Solomon (ben Saul Joseph) Adelman adelman at ymail.yu.edu North Antozian Systems and The Martian Empire |
| 058 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-08-97 | From: CrNoble at aol.com |
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 22:42:27 -0400 (EDT) From: CrNoble at aol.com Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-08-97 Speaking of Neill's illustrations not matching the text... did anyone notice that Baum says the magic carpet that carried Ozma and her army across the Deadly Desert was green, but the color plate shows it as blue? I seem to remember reading somewhere (perhaps on the Ozzy Digest?) that Neill often drew b&w illustrations that were colored by others. If so, that could explain the discrepancy. (Pardon me if this has already been discussed. I was on vacation for a week and am only now catching up on my reading.) -- Craig Noble |
| 059 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest | From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu> |
Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 11:31:52 -0500
From: Gordon Birrell <gbirrell at post.cis.smu.edu>
Subject: Ozzy Digest
More on _Ozma_:
Did anyone else notice the echo of the Wizard's famous self-characterization
("I'm really a very good man, but I'm a very bad Wizard") in the Hungry
Tiger's description of his divided nature: "I am a good beast, perhaps, but
a disgracefully bad tiger"? What I find intriguing here is that the two
quotations are symmetrical. The Wizard, anticipating R. D. Laing, proclaims
the priority of the essential self (the "good man") over the social role
(the "bad Wizard"). The Tiger, on the other hand, views the essential self
(his natural existence as a tiger) as all but obliterated by societal
constraints (the injunction not to eat fat babies). I'm reminded of Freud's
_Civilization and Its Discontents_ and Nietzsche's designation of man as
"the sick animal": the socialization process, which relies on the
installation of an active and vigilant conscience, always demands a
supression of natural drives and appetites. The good (i.e., fully
socialized) beast exists at the expense of the natural beast (the tiger
self) and the result is neurosis, a perpetual and relentless state of
deferred gratification. The Hungry Tiger's later comments on the size of
his appetite are an incredibly vivid description of the way desire may be
experienced as a force so large that it engulfs the body, so that we inhabit
our desire rather than the other way around: "You can hardly imagine the
size of my appetite. It seems to fill my whole body, from the end of my
throat to the tip of my tail. I am very sure the appetite doesn't fit
me,and is too large for the size of my body." (Lacan would have *loved*
that description!)
--Gordon Birrell
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| 060 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-09-97 | From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> |
Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 19:01:39 -0500 From: "David G. Hulan" <davidhulan at ntsource.com> Subject: Re: Ozzy Digest, 05-09-97 Aaron: Regular chickens in the barnyard are entirely promiscuous, though if the flock isn't too large one rooster usually dominates and does most of the fertilizing. I've no idea how a sentient chicken would behave sexually, but I know of no reason to believe that sentience would make much difference. Many birds pair up for the breeding season, and some (swans, for one) pair up for life, but chickens don't. The male chicken has no role in bringing up the offspring. (Birds overall are more egalitarian than mammals, though. In some species - phalaropes, for one - once the female lays the eggs she disappears and the male incubates the eggs and does all the rearing of the young.) Craig: I was the one who mentioned that I'd read that Neill was not responsible for the color for any of his illustrations except the color plates in DOTWIZ and EMERALD CITY. The others were colored by the printer. This makes considerable sense when you think about it; in those days - especially for the Baum books - it must have been quite difficult to make good color separations so that a printer could match a color painting. Panchromatic film wasn't even invented until the 1920s, as I recall, and before that there was no photographic way of distinguishing red from black. I wish I knew more about the techniques of color printing in its early days. (I know, there's probably a book in the library I could read. So little time, so many things I'd like to know...) David Hulan |
| 061 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-08-97 | From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> |
Date: Fri, 09 May 1997 23:22:19 -0400
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-08-97
Doug:
> Has anyone ever pointed out parallels between Langwidere and the
>menstrual cycle? A man's idea, I'd say, including PMS: Thirty heads, one
>for each day; one of the thirty [was it #17?] especially fiery, quick to
>fly off the handle; admittance [not the word, but I'm packing] by a key
>carved "from a single blood-red ruby."
You've got an interesting theory, there. That "blood-red"
description gave me pause, too--though executions by beheading, not
periods, came to my mind. By the way, I was so furious when I read in a
zoology book that only humans and certain species of great apes go through
that every month. Other mammals go through estrus--which supposedly
involves no monthly mess. How did we human women get so "lucky?"
In "Seven Blue Mountains of Oz," when Tip is made an honorary girl
by Truro and her tomboys, they sing, "A woman's a girl turned into a baby,
a woman's a girl whose doom has come--" The verse refers to one reason they
reject womanhood. Before my grandmother presented me with the Kotex books,
I had happily and naively assumed I was out of diapers forever. Wrong!
And PMS is no more fun for gals than it is for guys. I do not
enjoy the bad mood it sometimes brings on. And, yes, Doug, you have struck
on exactly how to handle a woman with PMS. Leave her alone! Exit, stage
right! You cannot talk or argue a person out of excess fluid on the brain,
which physical problem is supposed to be the reason why some women get
irritable that time of the month. Fortunately, PMS does not happen to all
of us. PMS affects me much more when I am stressed-out, whereas during
times of my life when I am happy and stress-free, it hardly affects me at
all. :-) :-)
Glinda's powers seem to include: conjuring tents and food (one of
the things the Wizard learned from her), micromorphosis (she gave the
Scarecrow a powder to shrink Blinkie), taking away a magic-worker's magical
powers (Blinkie and Mombi), causing wicked magic workers to forget their
knowledge of magic (Mombi) or EVERYTHING (the Fountain of Oblivion),
granting spiders temporary ability to spin incredibly stong webs, lowering
the water level of a lake (with help), diverting the course of small armies
(Ann-Soforth's army), spinning emeralds into cloth (her present to Ozma in
"Magic"), conjuring visions (to find Button-Bright in "Glinda of Oz"),
long-distance paralyzing spells (what she did to a couple of beasts about
to pounce Button-Bright in same book), and some untransformations (goat
into prince, stone into flesh), and making carpets that can enable travel
over the Deadly Desert and bridge chasms, and getting information magically
(which is how she learned more about the Skeezers and Flatheads). Her
personal code of ethics, rather than lack of ability, seems to prevent her
from learning the art of transformation ("no honest sorceress makes things
appear to be what they are not.")
Zim: I learned the art of transformation before we magic-workers
decided that it was unethical. However, knowing how to perform them can be
helpful in figuring out how to undo them...
Tip: Er, Zim, is that you? You better not be a REAL tyrannosaurus
rex...
Melody Grandy
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| 062 [Return to index] | Subject: Oz | From: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> |
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 02:30:57 -0400 From: Tyler Jones <tnj at compuserve.com> Subject: Oz Glinda: In _Tin Woodman_ Ozma says that Glinda's powers of transformation were not all that great, although some years previous, she had broken then transformation of then-Bilbil back to Bobo. --Tyler Jones |
| 063 [Return to index] | Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-10-97 | From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com> |
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:42:16 -0400
From: "Melody G. Keller" <harmonyarts at compuserve.com>
Subject: Ozzy Digest, 05-10-97
Here are some more Glinda abilities which came to mind: Creating
lassos with the |