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| 001 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz | From: Boq Aru <boq_aru at sbcglobal.net> |
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:31:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Boq Aru <boq_aru at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz
Names in Fairy Queen
Butterfly Band - these names all mean butterfly
Babbotschka Russian
Borboleta Portugese
Butterfly English
Farfalla Italian
Kelebek Turkish
Mariposa Spanish
Moth English
Papillon French
Petalutha Greek
Vlinder Dutch
Plant names
Squash
Marrow
Gourd
Calabash
Heartsease
Then some we've already met before in old Ozish
Ereol (golden haired)
very lovely in appearance, and with her fluffy golden hair and clear blue eyes was marvelously fair to
look upon
"Eorghruaghol" //er3ra3ol// - /errayyol/ (ereyol) - "Eorghruaghol" = "golden haired"
from "Eor" //er// - /er/ (er) - "Eor" = "golden"
from "Or" //o:r// - /o:r/ (or) - "Or" = "gold"
combined with "Gruagh" //gru:3// - /gru:3/ (groogh) - "Gruagh" = "hair"
Espa (quiet)
a sweet little fairy who had not before spoken
"Easpadh" //espa:yy// - /espa:/ (espa) - "Easpadh" = "quiet"
Lulea (dancing fairy)
queen of the dancing elves
"Luailleadh" //lu:ll'a:yy// - /lu:l'a:/ (loolya) - "Luailleadh" = "dancing fairy"
from "Luaille" //lu:ll'i// - /lu:l'i/ (looly) - "Luaille" = "mime, mimic, dance a seasonal dance like Morris
dancers"
Lurline - (delightful)
Queen of the Fairies and Founder of Oz
"Lurlin" //lu:r*l'in'// - /lu:r*l'in/ (lurlin) - "Lurlin" = "delightful"
from "Lur" //lu:r// - /lu:r/ (lure) - "Lur" = "delight"
Zurline - (fairylike)
Queen of the Fairies of the enchanted forest of Burzee
"Siabhrlin" //s'awr*l'in'// - /zu:r*l'in/ (zurlin) - "Siabhrlin" = "fairylike, phantomlike"
from "Siabhra" //s'awra// - /zu:ra/ (zura) - "Siabhra" = "fairy, phantom"
Some curiousities
Feebimble Norman French wandering fairy
Titania the fairy queen in Midsummer night's dream
Gloriana the fairy queen in Spencer's Fairy Queen, also Queen Elizabeth I
The creator of the Flatheads - Goorikop = "stale head" in Dutch. Pun on flathead as if it were beer
With these 6 I see certain similarities etc, but I really have no clue
Ozzod
Zyzzifer
Dreamsweet
Seventeen
Dib
Wob
And finally...
Accommodations by flatheads include chamber pots? Thundermugs? Guzundas? I doubt it. And if
provided, certainly not used. In "The Vegetarian Myth" it is pointed out that the soil must be fed, but I
strongly suspect that the soil of Oz is fed with Magic and respectful debris (wrappings and old canisters
from the Dinner Pail and Lunch Box trees for example)
Ozma thought canning was invented just in time for the paris exposition of 1878?
I wonder why, since it was invented just after 1800. Not can openers though.
People used to have to use axes, knives or hammers. Since the Flatheads later just kept the cans in their
pockets, not a problem.
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| 002 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz | From: Nathan DeHoff <fablesto at gmail.com> |
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:11:00 -0400 From: Nathan DeHoff <fablesto at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Boq Aru<boq_aru at sbcglobal.net> wrote: > The creator of the Flatheads - Goorikop = "stale head" in Dutch. Pun on > flathead as if it were beer I know Goorikop shows up in some of Laumer's other Oz books. Doesn't he die in one of them? > With these 6 I see certain similarities etc, but I really have no clue > > Zyzzifer She's introduced in the context of a joke about being last in alphabetical order, so there might not be anything more to her name than that, but I'd be inclined to think it's supposed to sound like buzzing. > Dreamsweet Maybe a simple reversal of "sweet dream"? As for the Flatheads, while I enjoyed some of their additional back story, it doesn't make sense for Ozma to have met them early in her reign but not remembered them by the time of GLINDA. Also, the impression I got from Baum was that the brains worked well enough while still in the cans, while Laumer suggests that they need to take them out to get them to work. -- Ozma and Oz Forever, Nathan fablesto at gmail.com or nathandehoff at gmail.com |
| 003 [Return to index] | Subject: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz | From: Daniel Doherty <janitor_stage_two at yahoo.com> |
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Doherty <janitor_stage_two at yahoo.com> Subject: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz The great thing about _Fairy Queen_ is that it actually happened. It gives a whole new meaning to "Oz as history". I imagine that many readers will know about the infamous Tunguska event. It occurred just as described in the book, a little after seven in the morning, June 30th, 1908. Estimates of the energy of the impact place it at about one thousand times the power of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Trees were flattened over an area 30 miles across, yet no human was seriously hurt, and no crater was found. In June 2007, nearly a century after the event, scientists from the University of Bologna identified Lake Cheko as a possible crater, but the matter is still being disputed. What readers may not know is the fate of the Matsons. First mentioned in _DotWiz_ as the friends Dorothy stayed with for a week in San Francisco, they have a much longer story than related in _Fairy Queen_. Lurline Berenice Matson, daughter of Captain William Matson, never did make it to Oz. After christening her father's 1908 steamship Lurline II when she was 18 years old, she went on to marry William P. Roth in 1914. In 1927, Roth became president of Matson Lines, his father-in-law's company (Captain Matson died in 1917), which later became the Matson Navigation Company, to which, in part, _Fairy Queen_ is dedicated. Lurline Matson Roth died in 1975--just fourteen years before the book was published. Laumer could even have known her personally, although I think that if he did the book would be dedicated to her and not her father's company. Now for the more questionable parts of the story. It seems a little ironic that March Laumer, who prided himself on smoothing out inconsistencies in other authors' Oz books, should introduce so many of his own. In this book, Ozma, the ruler of a country, only gets as many as five letters a day, where Lulea, with virtually no ties whatsoever to the mortal world (not to mention having no street address!) receives "letters of felicitation that had come in from all over" on her birthday. As already mentioned, the Flatheads are also inconsistent with Baum's portrayal, having more than one can of brains per person, and having to actually remove the brains from the can for them to be of use. Further, they know of Ozma when she arrives in this book, but don't seem to know her when she shows up several years down the line. Nor does she know of them. _Fairy Queen_ takes place in 1908, between _Road_ and _EC_. This makes Dorothy nearly sixteen. I can't say I'm particularly fond of Laumer's chronology. Dorothy noted in _Road_ that Button Bright wasn't much younger than she was. I find it a little hard to believe that that simple sailor-suited boy with the vocabulary hardly greater than two words was a young teenager. However, in other books he reverted Dorothy to a more reasonable age without explanation (in the finest tradition of Baum and Thompson), and his questionable chronology is essential for this book to work. Otherwise Dorothy would have been living in Oz long before Lurline christened the ship and long before the Tunguska event. In spite of the inconsistencies, I'm always impressed by Laumer's ability to blend material from multiple sources into one cohereant whole. _Fairy Queen_ is an excellent example, as well as being one of the best places to start Laumer's sub-series. |
| 004 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz | From: Nathan DeHoff <fablesto at gmail.com> |
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:02:24 -0400 From: Nathan DeHoff <fablesto at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Daniel Doherty<janitor_stage_two at yahoo.com> wrote: > What readers may not know is the fate of the Matsons. First mentioned in > _DotWiz_ as the friends Dorothy stayed with for a week in San Francisco, > they have a much longer story than related in _Fairy Queen_. Dorothy's Californian friends have been mentioned in some other books as well, but I believe FAIRY QUEEN is the only one that makes them real people. I know Dorothy's friends name was Polly in David Hulan's EUREKA, and I forget her name in COLORFUL KITTEN (but I remember she had one). Laumer had a general tendency of working in as many plays on words as possible, including some in foreign languages. I know he spent a lot of time in Sweden, so I would imagine his descriptions of Lule? were accurate. He really doesn't paint the place in a positive light, and I have to wonder whether Governor Swinhufvud was a real person, or a thin disguise for one. > Now for the more questionable parts of the story. It seems a little ironic > that March Laumer, who prided himself on smoothing out inconsistencies in > other authors' Oz books, should introduce so many of his own. In this book, > Ozma, the ruler of a country, only gets as many as five letters a day, where > Lulea, with virtually no ties whatsoever to the mortal world (not to mention > having no street address!) receives "letters of felicitation that had come > in from all over" on her birthday. Well, there are fairies all over the world, right? Ozma presumably hadn't had the chance to really establish herself by this point, while Lulea had been ruling for years. Still, even at this early point in Ozma's reign, I have to imagine that five letters a day was a low estimate. > As already mentioned, the Flatheads are also inconsistent with Baum's > portrayal, having more than one can of brains per person, and having to > actually remove the brains from the can for them to be of use. And if this is supposed to take place before the Su-dic took over, shouldn't the Adepts be in charge? There's no sign of them in FAIRY QUEEN. > _Fairy Queen_ takes place in 1908, between _Road_ and _EC_. This makes > Dorothy nearly sixteen. I can't say I'm particularly fond of Laumer's > chronology. Dorothy noted in _Road_ that Button Bright wasn't much younger > than she was. I find it a little hard to believe that that simple > sailor-suited boy with the vocabulary hardly greater than two words was a > young teenager. However, in other books he reverted Dorothy to a more > reasonable age without explanation (in the finest tradition of Baum and > Thompson), and his questionable chronology is essential for this book to > work. She's old enough to get married in some of Laumer's later books, so it kind of seems like her age is variable. If only Baum hadn't been so vague about such things. -- Ozma and Oz Forever, Nathan fablesto at gmail.com or nathandehoff at gmail.com |
| 005 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz | From: Daniel Doherty <janitor_stage_two at yahoo.com> |
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:38:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Doherty <janitor_stage_two at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz --- On Mon, 6/22/09, Nathan DeHoff <fablesto at gmail.com> wrote: > I have to wonder whether Governor Swinhufvud was a real person, or a > thin disguise for one. I wondered about that as well, but I wasn't able to find any such person or any reference to laws about faries in Sweden. There certainly is a long and bloody history of witch trials, but that seems to be the extent of it. > She's old enough to get married in some of Laumer's later books, so it > kind of seems like her age is variable. If only Baum hadn't been so > vague about such things. In _Uncle Henry_, Zip, described as a "young boy" notes that Dorothy "was just a sweet little girl, perhaps a year or two younger (to look at) than himself." Over eight decades later, in _Ten Woodmen_, Dorothy realizes "that it was to Miss Garland's developed sixteen that she, Dorothy, had by now allowed herself to advance in apparent age. After all, it would be ridiculous to appear any younger when one had a son teaching at the university." Dorothy apparently gave birth before she reached the apparent age of sixteen. Of course she was likely in her forties or fifties at least by that point, but it's still odd to think about. I think that Laumer portrays Dorothy as coming to Oz as a young girl in every book except _Fairy Queen_. Fairy Queen also seems to be one of the only times when he lays out a definite chronology for Baum's books. I think he liked the idea of having the books as evenly spaced as their publications, but the math doesn't work out so well that way. |
| 006 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz | From: Boq Aru <boq_aru at sbcglobal.net> |
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Boq Aru <boq_aru at sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz There are a lot of pig puns in this book. Svinhufvud = pig's trotter, and as stated is the kind of pig's trotter found on Swedish trolls. The big variety. This suggests that the governor is a troll in disguise. They're known to do that. Wear boots to hide their hooves and long coats or baggy pants to hide the tails. The motivation in getting rid of the fairies and such might be to make passing for human easier. It's rather reminiscent of the single best Gothic Romance that I've ever read - Goblin Moon by Esther Friesner. |
| 007 [Return to index] | Subject: [Regalia] FAIRY QUEEN matters | From: Nathan DeHoff <fablesto at gmail.com> |
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:28:33 -0400 From: Nathan DeHoff <fablesto at gmail.com> Subject: [Regalia] FAIRY QUEEN matters In my re-reading of FAIRY QUEEN, I found a few items I wanted to comment on. First of all, was Lana Peethisaw a real person, or just a character used to introduce the idea of some people coming to Oz when they die? Honestly, that's not an idea that sits too well with me. Oz was never a place for the dead in the main series, and while Baum is often credited with the last words "now we can cross the Shifting Sands," I've read that this is actually inaccurate. While it's a nice thought that Baum and others are now living in Oz, I think it introduces a major complication into the general feel of the fairyland. The book gives a neat explanation as to how both stories of the Nine Tiny Piglets' origins are accurate. Really, I'm not sure this is necessary, as we could easily just write off the Teenty-Weent story as patter on the Wizard's part, but Laumer did a pretty clever job of tying the two together. Is there any significance to the name Humuu'u, or is it just a faux-Polynesian sort of word? I thought it was a nice touch that the headmaster had studied under Dr. Dolittle. In addition to Flathead Mountain, Laumer also provided presentations of other locations that didn't entirely match with what we see in the books. For instance, he refers to Kuma Party as a place rather than a person, despite the fact that he'd read GNOME KING (and even claims it as one of his personal favorites in FAREWELL). -- Ozma and Oz Forever, Nathan fablesto at gmail.com or nathandehoff at gmail.com |
| 008 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz | From: boq_aru at sbcglobal.net |
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:22:38 -0700 (PDT) From: boq_aru at sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen of Oz <Nathan DeHoff < Is there any significance to the name Humuu'u, or is it just a faux-Polynesian sort of word? I < thought it was a nice touch that the headmaster had studied under Dr. Dolittle. It means "One who teaches from books" and puns - for English speakers, not Hawaiians - with "Humuhumunukunukuapua'a" which means "pigheaded trigger fish" - which goes swimming by - which is another pig pun, of which there are manymany. |
| 009 [Return to index] | Subject: [Regalia] Fairy Queen - Tunguska event | From: Marcus Mebes <baringer at gmail.com> |
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:17:17 -0700 From: Marcus Mebes <baringer at gmail.com> Subject: [Regalia] Fairy Queen - Tunguska event Regarding the leveling of the 80 million trees as referenced in March Laumer's book, today there was a news article on AOL News: http://news.aol.com/article/tunguska-caused-by- comet/546797?icid=main|aimzones|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Ftunguska- caused-by-comet%2F546797 Begin quote: More than 100 years ago, an enigmatic explosion devastated 80 million trees in a Russian forest. Today, researchers say the mystery known as the Tunguska event may be solved. They say new evidence suggests a comet -- not a meteor as previously thought -- was behind the explosion. And, as the BBC reported, they're pointing to clouds that form thousands of miles away at Earth's polices to explain the theory. Scientists claim these "noctilucent" clouds -- formations that are similar to what was seen after the Tunguska event -- reach the poles because water vapor appears to be quickly traveling in two dimensions, rather than three. The phenomenon, experts believe, happens when something like a magnetic field constrains the vapor, forcing it to move extremely fast in the remaining two dimensions. Researchers noted this occurring when the shuttles Discovery and Endeavour launched in 1997 and 2003, respectively. The launches deposit tons of water into the upper atmosphere. All of this, according to scientists, suggests a water-laden comet that shed its icy coating in that same part of the atmosphere is what flattened 830 square miles of Siberian forests in 1908, reported Examiner.com. "It's totally new and unexpected physics," Michael Kelley of Cornell University told the BBC. "It's almost like putting together a 100-year-old murder mystery." |
| 010 [Return to index] | Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen - Tunguska event | From: Nathan DeHoff <fablesto at gmail.com> |
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:29:57 -0400 From: Nathan DeHoff <fablesto at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Regalia] Fairy Queen - Tunguska event On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Marcus Mebes<baringer at gmail.com> wrote: > Regarding the leveling of the 80 million trees as referenced in March > Laumer's book, today there was a news article on AOL News: > http://news.aol.com/article/tunguska-caused-by- comet/546797?icid=main|aimzones|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Ftunguska- caused-by-comet%2F546797 > > Begin quote: > More than 100 years ago, an enigmatic explosion devastated 80 million > trees in a Russian forest. Today, researchers say the mystery known as > the Tunguska event may be solved. > They say new evidence suggests a comet -- not a meteor as previously > thought -- was behind the explosion. Wasn't a comet responsible for the plot of CHARMED GARDENS? -- Ozma and Oz Forever, Nathan fablesto at gmail.com or nathandehoff at gmail.com |
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